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Why Muslims keep saying Islam is a religion of peace when they love to war?

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  1. ChaoPappyPoodle

    ChaoPappyPoodle Alfrescian Old Timer

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    Not all Muslims lie but the vast majority keep denying their founder was a warlord and they have a doctrine on war, enslaving non-Muslims, mass murdering men and boys who have reached puberty, piracy, kidnapping for ransom etc etc etc


    The Book of Jihad and Expeditions
    Permissibility of raiding the Kuffar (infidels or non-believers), who have been reached with the call of Islam, without giving prior warning
    http://sunnah.com/muslim/32

    This is a quotation from Mohd, taken from the haddiths, ".. I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand...."
    http://www.quranexplorer.com/Hadith/English/Hadith/bukhari/004.052.220.html

    Islamic Scholar on Ramadan as the Month of Historic Victories ~Shaykh Dr. Yasir Qadhi | 3 Jun 2016
    https://youtu.be/rAkyf8-yIpE

    The relationship between Ramadan and Jihad (fighting) in the way of Allah
    http://en.alukah.net/Thoughts_Knowledge/0/507/

    You have to look outside of mainstream media to get to the truth. And occasionally you will find them.
    RAMADAN: MONTH OF JIHAD
    http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/263111/ramadan-month-jihad-robert-spencer
     
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    Islam sets down clear guidelines as to when war is ethically right, and clear guidelines as to how such a war should be conducted.

    In brief, war is permitted:

    in self defence
    when other nations have attacked an Islamic state
    if another state is oppressing its own Muslims

    War should be conducted:

    in a disciplined way
    so as to avoid injuring non-combatants
    with the minimum necessary force
    without anger
    with humane treatment towards prisoners of war

    Islam allows war in self-defence (Qur'an 22:39), to defend Islam (rather than to spread it), to protect those who have been removed from their homes by force because they are Muslims (Qur'an 22:40), and to protect the innocent who are being oppressed (Qur'an 4:75).

    But some Muslim thinkers in the past, and some more radical Muslim thinkers today, take a different view. They say that other verses in the Qur'an, the so-called 'sword verses', have "abrogated" (revoked or anulled) the verses that permit warfare only in defence. They used these 'sword verses' to justify war against unbelievers as a tool of spreading Islam (Qur'an 9:5, 9:29).
     
  3. ChaoPappyPoodle

    ChaoPappyPoodle Alfrescian Old Timer

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    Don't talk cock you fucking Satanic piece of shit! Muhammed attacked anyone and everyone regardless of self defense.

    Not many know of Islam's vile Shariah and its laws on sex slavery which began with Islam's self-professed prophet Muhammed. Prepubescent girls are also used as sex slaves. Only non-Muslims can be used as sex slaves. Muslims claim their laws on slavery gives dignity to slaves.

    This is a must read for all. This is a great article that shows the true nature of Islamic.


    http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/8708.htm
     
  4. ChaoPappyPoodle

    ChaoPappyPoodle Alfrescian Old Timer

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    The following is from Muhammed's biography, the Sira and it clearly shows he was a torturous and demented soul. Mutilation and torture and finally beheading his enemy. He later had sex with the tortured man's 17 year old wive!

    The earliest biography (sirat) of Muhammad's life is the work of Ibn Ishaq (85-151 A.H.) who was born in Medina. In this we learn of Muhammad's actions after he had conquered the towns of Khaybar. This event is also accepted and recorded by Ibn Kathir [1].

    Kinana b. al-Rabi`, who had the custody of the treasure of B. al-Nadir, was brought to the apostle who asked him about it. He denied that he knew where it was. A Jew came (T. was brought) to the apostle and said that he had seen Kinana going round a certain ruin every morning early. When the apostle said to Kinana, "Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?" he said Yes. The apostle gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr b. al-`Awwam, "Torture him until you extract what he has," so he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head, in revenge for his brother Mahmud. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, translated as, The Life of Muhammad, (tr. A. Guillaume), Karachi: Oxford University Press, 1998, p. 515.)
     
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    This is just one of the many assassinations called by Islam's self-professed prophet.

    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 270
    Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

    The Prophet said, "Who is ready to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has really hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "O Allah's Apostle! Do you like me to kill him?" He replied in the affirmative. So, Muhammad bin Maslama went to him (i.e. Ka'b) and said, "This person (i.e. the Prophet) has put us to task and asked us for charity." Ka'b replied, "By Allah, you will get tired of him." Muhammad said to him, "We have followed him, so we dislike to leave him till we see the end of his affair." Muhammad bin Maslama went on talking to him in this way till he got the chance to kill him.
    http://www.quranexplorer.com/hadith/english/Hadith/bukhari/004.052.270.html
     
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    whoami Alfrescian (Inf)

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    Good post tere.

    Just ignore those who only know how to cut copy paste and spewed vulgarities every each post.
     
  7. ChaoPappyPoodle

    ChaoPappyPoodle Alfrescian Old Timer

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    The truth is Muhammed himself attacked when unprovoked. All this talk about Islam going to war only in self-defense is a big lie which is as big a lie as it gets.

    Women and children captured were enslaved. Booty was shared among the army. This haddith which is part of islamic scripture clearly shows that non-combatants were were game for Muhammed as long as the enemy was vanquished.
    http://www.quranexplorer.com/hadith/english/Hadith/bukhari/004.052.256.html
    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 256
    Narrated As-Sab bin Jaththama:
    The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle.


    Muhammed would torture and behead his enemies and this episode shows. This is from Muhammed's biography which forms Islamic scripture.
    Kinana b. al-Rabi`, who had the custody of the treasure of B. al-Nadir, was brought to the apostle who asked him about it. He denied that he knew where it was. A Jew came (T. was brought) to the apostle and said that he had seen Kinana going round a certain ruin every morning early. When the apostle said to Kinana, "Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?" he said Yes. The apostle gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr b. al-`Awwam, "Torture him until you extract what he has," so he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head, in revenge for his brother Mahmud. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, translated as, The Life of Muhammad, (tr. A. Guillaume), Karachi: Oxford University Press, 1998, p. 515.)


    Islam not only allows offensive wars but allows killing those that want to leave Islam.
    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 260
    Narrated Ikrima:
    Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

    Islam was spread by the sword. History does not lie and Islamic scripture makes this very clear. Islam not only kills and conquers but enslaves women and children. Enslaving non-Muslims is part of their economy. Going to war and looting and piracy was Muhammed's way of supporting his army.

    Plundering, Piracy, War Booty, Pirate
    https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Muhammad_and_Plundering

    No more than 1% of Muslims research into the history of Muhammed and Islam. I have heard from countless Muslims that the Quran was given to Muhammed and not a single word has changed since. This is one of the greatest and most blatant lie ever made and continues till today. The irony is Islamic scripture clearly states Muhammed died without compiling the Quran. The earliest history of Islam and the Quran shows something truly different. The truth is there are numerous Qurans in existence today and the most widely used version is dated 1924 and not the 7th century. All the early manuscripts are incomplete and show thousands of variances to the 1924 version.

    Short history of compilation of Quran by Dr Zakir Naik.webm
    https://youtu.be/m37D05_0Okw

    Quranic Textual Variations & Alterations
    https://youtu.be/R6bO-bfdI_A


    https://www.google.com.sg/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=quran variations
     
  8. ChaoPappyPoodle

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    You Satanic scums deserve all the scum you spew to the world. You disgusting lazy Satanic bastards do nothing but listen to liars and war mongers and spew it onto your children and your entire family then spews your Satanic scum into the world. You Satanic worshipers are too lazy to even read on your own to find out the truth about something you say means the world and beyond to you. The fact is you are all lazy and dumb goat fuckers who spend more time on TV than learning about the history and truth. All you do is spew out the same lies and spread the same hatred to the world and through your children who you deliberately turn into demonic souls simply because you are too damned lazy to research on your own. You dirty Satanic bastards.
     
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    xdecepticon Alfrescian Old Timer

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    The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

    - Richard Dawkins

    There is plenty of evil in “the Good Book,” but here are some highlights:

    1. God drowns the whole earth.
    In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and perhaps unicorns. Only a single family survives. In Matthew 24:37-42, gentle Jesus approves of this genocide and plans to repeat it when he returns.

    2. God kills half a million people.
    In 2 Chronicles 13:15-18, God helps the men of Judah kill 500,000 of their fellow Israelites.

    3. God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn.
    In Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.

    4. God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them.
    In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.

    5. Genocide after genocide after genocide.
    In Joshua 6:20-21, God helps the Israelites destroy Jericho, killing “men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.” In Deuteronomy 2:32-35, God has the Israelites kill everyone in Heshbon, including children. In Deuteronomy 3:3-7, God has the Israelites do the same to the people of Bashan. In Numbers 31:7-18, the Israelites kill all the Midianites except for the virgins, whom they take as spoils of war. In 1 Samuel 15:1-9, God tells the Israelites to kill all the Amalekites – men, women, children, infants, and their cattle – for something the Amalekites’ ancestors had done 400 years earlier.

    6. God kills 50,000 people for curiosity.
    In 1 Samuel 6:19, God kills 50,000 men for peeking into the ark of the covenant. (Newer cosmetic translations count only 70 deaths, but their text notes admit that the best and earliest manuscripts put the number at 50,070.)

    7. 3,000 Israelites killed for inventing a god.
    In Exodus 32, Moses has climbed Mount Sinai to get the Ten Commandments. The Israelites are bored, so they invent a golden calf god. Moses comes back and God commands him: “Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.” About 3,000 people died.

    8. The Amorites destroyed by sword and by God’s rocks.
    In Joshua 10:10-11, God helps the Israelites slaughter the Amorites by sword, then finishes them off with rocks from the sky.

    9. God burns two cities to death.
    In Genesis 19:24, God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah with fire from the sky. Then God kills Lot’s wife for looking back at her burning home.

    10. God has 42 children mauled by bears.
    In 2 Kings 2:23-24, some kids tease the prophet Elisha, and God sends bears to dismember them. (Newer cosmetic translations say the bears “maul” the children, but the original Hebrew, baqa, means “to tear apart.”)

    11. A tribe slaughtered and their virgins raped for not showing up at roll call.
    In Judges 21:1-23, a tribe of Israelites misses roll call, so the other Israelites kill them all except for the virgins, which they take for themselves. Still not happy, they hide in vineyards and pounce on dancing women from Shiloh to take them for themselves.

    12. 3,000 crushed to death.
    In Judges 16:27-30, God gives Samson strength to bring down a building to crush 3,000 members of a rival tribe.

    13. A concubine raped and dismembered.
    In Judges 19:22-29, a mob demands to rape a godly master’s guest. The master offers his daughter and a concubine to them instead. They take the concubine and gang-rape her all night. The master finds her on his doorstep in the morning, cuts her into 12 pieces, and ships the pieces around the country.

    14. Child sacrifice.
    In Judges 11:30-39, Jephthah burns his daughter alive as a sacrificial offering for God’s favor in killing the Ammonites.

    15. God helps Samson kill 30 men because he lost a bet.
    In Judges 14:11-19, Samson loses a bet for 30 sets of clothes. The spirit of God comes upon him and he kills 30 men to steal their clothes and pay off the debt.

    16. God demands you kill your wife and children for worshiping other gods.
    In Deuteronomy 13:6-10, God commands that you must kill your wife, children, brother, and friend if they worship other gods.

    17. God incinerates 51 men to make a point.
    In 2 Kings 1:9-10, Elijah gets God to burn 51 men with fire from heaven to prove he is God.

    18. God kills a man for not impregnating his brother’s widow.
    In Genesis 38:9-10, God kills a man for refusing to impregnate his brother’s widow.

    19. God threatens forced cannibalism.
    In Leviticus 26:27-29 and Jeremiah 19:9, God threatens to punish the Israelites by making them eat their own children.

    20. The coming slaughter.
    According to Revelation 9:7-19, God’s got more evil coming. God will make horse-like locusts with human heads and scorpion tails, who torture people for 5 months. Then some angels will kill a third of the earth’s population. If he came today, that would be 2 billion people.

    Now, Christians have spent thousands of years coming up with excuses for a loving god that would allow or create such evil. In fact, they’ve come up with 12 basic responses, which are the subject of The Tale of the Twelve Officers.

    http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=21
     
  10. ChaoPappyPoodle

    ChaoPappyPoodle Alfrescian Old Timer

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    HAHAHAHAHA

    When was the last time a Christian even threatened another in the name of Jesus or God?

    You are a sick bastard! You fucking idiot! Dont you know what year you are living in and which followers of which religion is killing throughout the world in the name of their god?

    http://www.exmuslim.org/umm-qirfa.html
    http://www.exmuslim.org/genocide-of-...i-qurayza.html
    http://www.exmuslim.org/one-eyed-shepherd.html
    http://www.exmuslim.org/abu-afak.html
    http://www.exmuslim.org/asma-bint-marwan.html
    http://www.exmuslim.org/two-singing-girls.html
    http://www.exmuslim.org/kab-bin-al-ashraf.html
    http://www.exmuslim.org/huwayissa-and-muwayissa.html
    http://www.exmuslim.org/kinana-and-safiya.html
     
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    sohbuckkong Alfrescian Old Timer

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    [Why Muslims keep saying Islam is a religion of peace when they love to war?]

    Thats because they bopian.
     
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    Islam - it is time for a relook at the fundamentals of the faith, not be taken in by current US dominated policies and lifestyles and revive certain glorified historical achienvements. And not go in with many imams who are in it for personal political gains. Religion as a social glue, moral and ethical guidelines is fine, but not as the day-to-day solutiohn for livelihood. Let science and social norms guide those.

    Cheers!
     
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    sohbuckkong Alfrescian Old Timer

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    I dont know what r u talking. Pls dont tell the whole fucking world that u r just a fucking smart alex. U r nothing, u r damn fucking stupid. I dont even know what u r saying or trying to say, u idiot.
     

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