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PLA official confirmed Heavy Strategic Bomber H-20 to beat B-2B

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    The 1st H-20 Super Heavy Stealth Bomber is completed in June 2017 off the assembly line and median flight is expected any time now. It beats the top US strategic bomber is payload by 30 tons, and range by few thousand km. It is way more advance than the old (1989 1st flight) USAF B-2 which USAF has only 21 units. It is expected to have also higher speed and stealth and more advanced satellite comm nd electronic warfare technologies.

    There is no true photo yet, and currently still very secretive.

    http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2017-11-07/doc-ifynmzrs7604208.shtml





    轰20两获官方证实 外媒称首架已在6月下线或年底首飞

    2017年11月07日 08:20 新浪军事



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    [​IMG]资料图:隐形轰炸机
      近期,社交媒体流传着轰-20的各种传说,但是中国远程轰炸机的官方消息仅有原空军司令的两次发言,一次在去年9月份马晓天司令的证实,其次今年航空飞镖活动时马晓天司令回应记者提问时的霸气发言:有也不能告诉你啊。

      国外军事专家对中国这款最新的超级武器也异常关注,外媒也在挖掘轰-20的各种消息,近期外媒报道,中国首架轰-20样机已经于2017年6月在西飞集团下线,正在进行首飞前的准备工作,或将在今年年底、2018年年初进行首飞。而之前也有零星消息称,已经从去年开始为轰-20提供零配件。

    [​IMG]资料图:隐形轰炸机
      但是目前流传的各种消息,官方没有给出任何证实。但在央视的节目中,有专家称轰-20战略轰炸机具备超强的隐身性能,相比最大起飞重量170吨的美军B-2隐身战略轰炸机,轰-20还会超出30多吨,载弹量高达45吨,作战半径是我国现役轰-6K的两倍以上,整体的作战效能将达到轰-6K的5倍多。

      面对我国网友和国外媒体的猜测,某军事专家对此透露轰-20仍处于研制状态,下线的可能性不大,即使真的首飞测试,参考美B-2轰炸机的服役进程至少还要6-8左右才能正式服役。

    [​IMG]轰-6
      专家称:中国不论做什么,向来都是稳中求快,不会为了一时之需赶鸭子上架,轰-6K依旧宝刀未老,战略威慑绰绰有余,轰-20在性能上弯道超车,或许会像歼-20一样,不鸣则已,一鸣惊人。据有关消息,轰-20隐身能力会有质的飞跃,气动布局会采用与美国B-2隐形轰炸机一致的飞翼式隐身布局,在超算、量子技术、风洞俱全的条件下,这只是流程问题。

      轰-20一旦研制成功列装部队,不仅意味着中国有了性能全面超越轰-6K的战略隐形轰炸机,更表明中国真正具备三位一体战略打击能力,实现战略空军的目标。

      所以,研发新一代轰炸机,并没有大家想的那么简单,轰-20到底进展如何恐怕只有研发人员知道,我们要做的只需耐心等待,总有一天,轰-20会给大家带来惊喜,歼-20、运-20都加入空军大家庭了,轰-20还会远吗?(作者署名:前沿哨所)
     
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    What's the point of having a longer range that the US bombers when it is clear that the chinks' bombers will be shot down before they fly past Taiwan or Japan?
     
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    They can always bomb the changi base without gg thru either one
     
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    PLA said they are forcing the USAF into developing newer Air to Air missile because now PLA's new missiles are capable to see and kill USAF jets at range longer than ANY current USAF missiles, that means they are dead-meat, that can not even return fire suffering the handicap of missile range disadvantage! This is a very simple advantage, my missile can kill you from where yours can not reach me! But technical and strategic factors are actually not so simple.

    Long range missiles are definitely larger and more heavy. J-16 has better payload to carry more heavy missiles. F-35 F-22 less total payload, plus, due to Stealth Considerations, they can not carry missiles under their wings, and have to squeeze missiles inside the tiny internal weapon bay - or else the externally exposed missile will tell any radars where their position is! Yes the old radar might not be able to see the stealth planes which reflects only tiny amount of radar signals, but the non-stealth missiles will betray their own planes and tell any radars where they are!

    Size limitation of internal weapon bay means you can not have too big missiles hence your max air to air killing range is going to be limited by that.

    Further, when the doors of internal weapon bay opens, the stealth jet immediately lost their stealth, plus further, when they fired a missile, they also exposed their position to the radars.

    Chinese J-20 has huge internal weapon bays and can fire the huge air to air missile of longer kill range.

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    一年前,解放军歼-16多用途战斗机挂载一种新型远程空空导弹进行试飞,此举无疑让美国国防部感受到了相当大的压力。虽然目前尚不清楚这种导弹的具体用途,但如果这种导弹装备了先进反辐射引导头,就能对美国的预警机发起远程攻击,从而破坏美军指挥链。作者:阿姆斯壮

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    而美军武器库中并没有与这种导弹相对应的武器,虽然最先进的AIM-120D已经把射程提高到了160公里,但要注意的是这只是迎头射程,尾追发射的话会大幅缩水,仍然达不到远程标准。

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    为了弥补远程空空导弹的不足,美国国防部已悄然展开这种武器的预研工作。在2018年国防授权法案(五角大楼军事预算)中,赫然出现了一个名为“远程作战武器”(LREW)远程空空导弹的项目。


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    该项目被定义为一个研究性举措,用于确定未来新型远程空空导或导弹族的整体概念、技术、杀伤链结构和基本要求,其最终目的是“保持美国的空中优势”。



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    与LREW一道公布的还有一份官方艺术概念图,清楚显示了一架F-22“猛禽”战斗机正在从弹舱中发射一枚两级远程导弹。


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    选择两级构型可能意味着美军并不打算采用MBDA“流星”空空导弹这样的吸气式可变流量固体冲压发动机技术来增加射程,


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    而是仍然沿用经过AIM-54“不死鸟”空空导弹充分验证的高抛弹道概念,不仅降低了研制风险,还能加快研制进度。


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    AIM-54采用高抛弹道发射方式,具有攻击飞行高度24-30000米的目标的能力。这种方式具有两个主要优点,一是助推器把导弹快速推进爬升到空气稀薄的高空中,通过在空稀薄空气中飞行来增加有效射程;二是在第一级脱落后,


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    导弹第二级在末段攻击时能从高空向目标进行陡峭俯冲,通过把势能转换成动能来提高末段机动性。“不死鸟”远程空空导弹就是通过这种经典的高抛弹道,使导弹的有效射程达到184公里,

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    并且能在末端以5马赫的惊人速度俯冲向目标。当然,未来两级远程导弹的射程应该大幅超过AIM-54才行。


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    在过去10年时间里,由于缺乏实际威胁,美军一直对发展远程空空导弹兴趣缺缺。尽管多年来出现过各种各样的远程导弹方案,但没有一种进入实际发展。而与此同时,解放军正在以惊人速度向前推进远程空空导弹的研制,歼-16挂载新型远程导弹试飞让美军惊出了一身冷汗。

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    在过去10年时间里,由于缺乏实际威胁,美军一直对发展远程空空导弹兴趣缺缺。尽管多年来出现过各种各样的远程导弹方案,

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    但没有一种进入实际发展。而与此同时,解放军正在以惊人速度向前推进远程空空导弹的研制,歼-16挂载新型远程导弹试飞让美军惊出了一身冷汗。


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    Chinese got better counter measure against missiles than US. Possibly even better than Russians.


    Got video pse click:
    http://news.cctv.com/2017/09/30/VIDE45fUvDAGmWKT7JkmzXIM170930.shtml

    央视曝轰-20构想图 最远航程或达1.3万公里
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    来源:央视网 发布时间:2017年09月30日 16:25 / 7

    央视网消息:在央视9月29日播出的《今日关注》节目中,出现了我军下一代战略轰炸机轰-20的构想图。不仅如此,节目中还援引军事专家的分析推测,称轰-20航程约1.3万公里,作战半径超过5000公里,载弹量可达30-40吨。
     
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    ROTFFLMFAOLKITA!

    :D :D :D

    You showing us the limit of your stupidity.
    China far exceed USA in missle technology, and probably even better than the Ruskies as well. In both anti ship and anti air.
    Keep talking and writing as what you write make me laugh.
    I am sure it make most of us laugh.
     
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    sina news is a commie chink propaganda online media portal. If the Shit Times is rubbish, what makes you think sina news isn't any different? :rolleyes:
     
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    This H-20 is just the initial prelude to everything else. The real significant deal is PLA Hypersonic Bomber which is still of no officially disclosed model number, but aggressively developed at pace fastest ever in whole aviation history. The initial model will be MACH8 the subsequent models easily reach MACH15. China is leading this field with a big and progressively widening margin.

    What is that? It is plane FASTER THAN ANY MISSILE so don't dream of intercepting or shooting at it.

    It means flying from China to USA to nuke them and back within 1 hr. You finish the job have tea and the target mushroom cloud still in the progress of rising upwards with millions tons of nuke dust.

    PLA is also doing a hypersonic submarine that can zap across Pacific in 1 hr, using Supercavitation:

     
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    Putin's hypersonic jet already has an official model number MiG-41

     
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    So anymore talk cock about
    Then take out China little by little. First thing first, the SCS... island chain around it. Enforce a no fly zone for ship and aeroplane.
    Plot the downfall of Yuan.

    What's the point of having a longer range that the US bombers when it is clear that the chinks' bombers will be shot down before they fly past Taiwan or Japan?


    :D:D:D

    Kong langjeow wei

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    This is what angmoh dua kee themselves said.
    They know now China even much more dua kee than them now.

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...r-air-air-missile-could-make-the-us-air-18536

    China's Mach 6 Monster Air-to-Air Missile Could Make the U.S. Air Force Come in for a ‘Crash Landing’
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    The Chinese military has apparently test-fired a new — and potentially powerful — very-long-range air-to-air missile. If reports are accurate, the new weapon could hit U.S. aircraft at twice the range at which the Americans can shoot back.

    Images depicting the new missile under the wing of a Chinese air force J-16 fighter circulated in November 2016. The J-16 reportedly fired at least one of the missiles, successfully striking an aerial target.

    China has developed air-to-air missiles at a pace at least as rapid as its development of fighter aircraft. The new very-long-range air-to-air missile, or VLRAAM, appeared suddenly. Foreign observers apparently don’t even know what the Chinese call the new munition.

    Technical data on the missile is hard to come by, but the photos Beijing has allowed to leak do at least establish the weapon’s dimensions, which — along with a raft of publicly-available scientific research — hint at the missile’s capabilities. In the photos, the VLRAAM is clearly around a third the length of the J-16, giving the munition an overall length of around 20 feet and a diameter of roughly a foot.

    In any event, the weapon is much more substantial than is the U.S. military’s own longest-range air-to-air missile, the AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile. The AMRAAM is just 12 feet long and seven inches in diameter. The latest version of the American missile, the AIM-120D, reportedly boasts a maximum range in excess of 90 miles.

    The new Chinese munition closely matches the dimensions of Russia’s K-100 air-to-air missile, which has been in halting development for 25 years now but could, in theory, hit targets as far as 200 miles from the launching plane.

    To achieve its apparent long range, the Chinese VLRAAM reportedly relies on a powerful rocket motor than can propel the munition at “hypersonic” speeds of up to Mach 6 — half-again faster than the AIM-120D’s own top speed.

    Launched by a fighter flying as high as 50,000 feet, the Chinese missile could climb to an altitude of around 100,000 feet and glide in the thin air for more than a hundred miles before descending to strike its target — this according to recent studies in Chinese scientific journals, which Popular Science helpfully pointed out.

    Moreover, Beijing’s VLRAAM reportedly features an active electronically-scanned array seeker with optical back-up and mid-course satellite guidance — truly state of the art for an air-to-air missile. The AIM-120D makes do with an older-style, and less effective, mechanically-steered radar.

    Of course, a very-long-range missile is useless in the absence of good targeting. Unless you’re willing to destroy every airplane within reach — whether they’re enemy warplanes, civilian passenger jets or even friendly forces — you need to identify opposing planes before attacking them.

    The identification problem prevented the U.S. Navy from successfully deploying its own AIM-54 Phoenix long-range air-to-air missile in combat. The Navy retired the munition in 2004 in favor of cheaper and more practical AMRAAMs.

    The Chinese military is apparently working on a solution to the identification problem, and has proposed building a targeting network around the high-flying Divine Eagle sensor drone. A Divine Eagle could pass targeting data to a VLRAAM-armed fighter — and potentially even to the missile itself, provided any operational version of the munition incorporates a datalink.

    In concept, China’s potential sensor-shooter network is similar to the U.S. Navy’s own Naval Integrated Fire Control-Counter Air network, which ties together various sensors platforms with fighters and ships firing AMRAAMs and sea-launched air-defense missiles. NIFC-CA first deployed with a carrier battle group in 2015.

    While making huge strides when it comes to targeting, the U.S. military is falling behind in the advancement of air-launched munitions. The Pentagon has not yet begun developing a new long-range air-to-air missile to eventually replace the AIM-120D.

    The Americans have a years-long head-start fielding a functional sensor-shooter network, but if the apparent November 2016 test-launch is any indication, the Chinese are way ahead when it comes to far-flying munitions that can take advantage of such networks.

    This first appeared in WarIsBoring here.

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    https://www.iiss.org/en/militarybal...inas-very-long-range-missile-development-4aa5

    China’s very-long-range missile development
    Images of a Chinese aircraft fitted with what appears to be a very-long-range air-to-air missile have recently appeared online. Douglas Barrie takes a closer look.
    Date: 13 February 2017
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    By Douglas Barrie, Senior Fellow for Military Aerospace


    The recent sighting of what appears to be a very-long-range air-to-air missile on a Sukhoi Su-27 Flanker derivative should have been of little surprise; after all, Moscow had first considered such a weapon in the mid-1980s. The weapon in question, however, is not Russian but Chinese.

    Images were released on the internet in November 2016 of a Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force two-seat Flanker, likely a J-16, fitted with large missiles on inboard pylons. The weapon is well over five metres in length; by comparison, the medium-range US-manufactured AIM-120 AMRAAM is 3.7m long. Given the aerodynamic configuration and size of the weapon, a likely application is that of a missile intended to be used at extended ranges to engage large, high-value and non-manoeuvring targets, such as tankers or intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance and airborne early-warning aircraft. Using a very high, lofted trajectory it would appear that an engagement range well beyond 300 kilometres is feasible.

    A very-long-range missile could provide the launch aircraft with the ability to engage high-value targets without having first to penetrate any defensive fighter screen. The range of the weapon could also mean that even if non-stealthy aircraft using it were detected by an opponent's fighter screen, they would remain beyond the engagement envelope for any defensive medium-range air-to-air missile.

    Russia's Novator missile company had first shown a weapon in this class in 1995. Known variously as the KS-172, K-100 and AAM-L, the missile used a two-stage design with a larger diameter booster motor fitted to a narrower diameter second stage. Originally intended to meet – or at least compete for – a Soviet/Russian long-range-missile requirement, Moscow has offered the design for export, including as part of the weapons fit for the Sukhoi Su-35. One Su-35 brochure identified the missile as the K-100-1. Meanwhile, Russia appears to have retained the Vympel R-37M (AA-13 Axhead) as the only long-range air-to air missile in its inventory. The R-37M is carried by the MiG-31BM Foxhound, and it has also been offered for export as an option as part of the weapons package for the Su-35.

    The Chinese design, meanwhile, has a constant diameter but may well use a two-stage configuration with boost and sustainer solid-propellant motors to achieve the desired range. Using a lofted trajectory, where the missile climbs to perhaps 24,000–27,000m to minimise atmospheric resistance, would help extend the range. The missile would initially be lofted at an acute climb angle to rapidly gain altitude; a sustainer motor would then ignite and, following burn-out, the missile could then use a glide trajectory to extend its range. The shape of the weapon, however, does not suggest a great deal of body lift. For instance, the imagery does not show even a narrow mid-body wing on the missile.

    Target acquisition and mid-flight data updates present challenges at extended ranges, even against non-manoeuvring subsonic aircraft, and in this case third-party targeting is a possibility. Another platform, most likely another aircraft but potentially a ground-based radar, could pass track data to the launch aircraft, for instance when the launch aircraft's own radar is not able to identify the intended target.



     
  11. war is best form of peace

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    H-20 is just an initial prelude in many ways, because it's frame work including aerodynamics; air-frame; engine; flight control; communication and operations is an opening start to begin a number of different functional roles long range heavy military aircrafts for PLA, this includes (better than USAF) fuel-tankers, transporter, electronic warfare & protection & reconnaissance aircraft that are featuring stealth and long range and heavy load - including a heavy load of jet fuel.

    All USAF fuel tankers are huge lame sitting duck that are too vulnerable and slow and easily detectable. Their movements disclose USAF operation plans and schedules and can be easily attacked to cripple the operations. PLA has much lesser oversea military bases than USAF and hence their refueling much more than USAF need to depend on ACCOMPANYING fuel tankers, with a fleet of attacking bombers and escorting fighter jets, therefore, tankers need to have heavy capacity, good combat cruise speed, and remained as least detectable as H-20 & J-20 otherwise defeats their purposes. These tankers need to almost go all the way to target and on return trip as well.

    Currently, PLA has H-6U a modified version of H-6K bombers, which carries no bomb nor missiles, but just fuel for pal bombers, to facilitate strategic long range missions.
     
  12. pakchewcheng

    pakchewcheng Alfrescian Old Timer

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    So anymore talk cock about
    Then take out China little by little. First thing first, the SCS... island chain around it. Enforce a no fly zone for ship and aeroplane.
    Plot the downfall of Yuan.

    What's the point of having a longer range that the US bombers when it is clear that the chinks' bombers will be shot down before they fly past Taiwan or Japan?


    :D:D:D

    Kong langjeow wei

    :D:D:D


    This is what angmoh dua kee themselves said.
    They know now China even much more dua kee than them now.

    Read the report first in Sept 2015 that make USAF drop their fucking balls.
    Then the next report a year later in slant italics making their bad day for USAF even more badder yet.


    Chinese Air-To-Air Missile Hits Targets, Spooks USAF General


    PL-15 is China's best and baddest aerial weapon yet

    By Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer September 22, 2015



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    KILLS OF THE FUTURE

    This 2014 CGI shows a J-31 stealth fighter launching a long range PL-15 missile. Given USAF concerns about the high performance PL-15, it could indeed feature high performance technologies like range and maneuverability enhancing ramjets, and a jam resistant AESA radar seeker.

    lt.cdjby.net via errymath

    Beyond visual range air-to-air missiles (BVRAAM) are long-range missiles used by fighters to knock out enemy fighters, bombers, tankers, drones and other aircraft from ranges beyond 30km. On September 15, 2015, China successfully test fired its latest iteration, the PL-15, firing from a fighter to destroy a target drone.


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    PL-15 DIFFERENT ANGLES

    These set of photos from 2013 show the PL-15 during captive flight testing (carried by fighters like this J-11B). The PL-15 is shown to be about four meters long and 200mm in diameter, about the same size as the older PL-12 BVRAAM. The PL-15 uses improved propulsion, such as advanced rocket motors and possibly ramjet engines, to achieve a greater range.

    club.mil.news.sina.com.cn

    The PL-15 is developed by the 607 Institute. It is the replacement for China's current BVRAAM, the radar guided, PL-12, which reportedly has a range of approximately 100km. Compared to the PL-12, the PL-15 has an improved active radar seeker and jam-resistant datalinks, along with a dual pulse rocket motor to extend its range.


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    THE FLANKER'S NEW MISSILE

    The J-11B Flanker, a Chinese modification of the Russian Su-27 heavy fighter, is shown here with a PL-15 on a payload pylon under the left wing. While the J-11B's radar may not have the range to use the PL-15 to its maximum range, it can receive the location of distant enemy fighters from a KJ-2000 airborne early warning control (AEWC) aircraft, fire the PL-15 and let the PL-15's advanced radar guide the missile, with course corrections from the KJ-2000 AEWC, all without turning on the J-11B's radar (and giving away its position).

    Andreas Rupprecht

    Even in the prototype stage, the PL-15 is already an international star. Speaking at the 2015 Air Force Association conference the same week as the test, USAF Air Combatant Commander General Hawk Carlisle cited the PL-15 as the reason for Congress to fund a new missile to replace the American AMRAAM. His reasons for concern is the PL-15's range. By incorporating a ramjet engine, its range could reach 150-200km, was well as its terminal maneuverability. That would out-range existing American air-to-air missiles, making the PL-15 not just a threat to fighters like the F-35, but also to US bombers and aerial tankers critical to American air operations across the vast Pacific. General Carlisle called "out-sticking" the PL-15 a high priority for the USAF.


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    China is testing a new long-range, air-to-air missile that could thwart U.S. plans for air warfare
    https://www.popsci.com/china-new-long-range-air-to-air-missile



    The hypersonic missile reaches can take down aircraft from 200 miles.

    By Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer November 23, 2016



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    PL-XX

    The J-16 carries two VLRAAM for a test firing.

    lt.cjdby.net

    In November 2016, a Chinese J-16 strike fighter test-fired a gigantic hypersonic missile, successfully destroying the target drone at a very long range.

    Looking at takeoff photos, we estimate the missile is about 28 percent of the length of the J-16, which measures 22 meters (about 72 feet). The puts the missile at about 19 feet, and roughly 13 inches in diameter. The missile appears to have four tailfins. Reports are that the size would put into the category of a very long range air to air missile (VLRAAM) with ranges exceeding 300 km (roughly 186 miles), likely max out between 250 and 310 miles. (As a point of comparison, the smaller 13.8-foot, 15-inch-diameter Russian R-37 missile has a 249-mile range).

    This is a big deal: this missile would easily outrange any American (or other NATO) air-to-air missile. Additionally, the VLRAAM's powerful rocket engine will push it to Mach 6 speeds, which will increase the no escape zone (NEZ), that is the area where a target cannot outrun the missile, against even supersonic targets like stealth fighters.

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    VLRAAM

    The VLRAAM is one of the world's largest air to air missiles. Its other advanced features include an AESA radar, a infrared/electro-optical seeker (under the yellow-orange cover on the forward section above the nosecone), and satellite navigation midcourse correction.

    lt.cjdby.net

    The new, larger missile's added value is not just in range. Another key feature: its large active electronically scanned (AESA) radar, which is used in the terminal phase of flight to lock onto the target. The AESA radar's large size—about 300-400% larger than that of most long range air-to-air missiles—and digital adaptability makes it highly effective against distant and stealthy targets, and resilient against electronic countermeasures like jamming and spoofing.

    The VLRAAM's backup sensor is a infrared/electro-optical seeker that can identify and hone in on high-value targets like aerial tankers and airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) radar aircraft. The VLRAAM also uses lateral thrusters built into the rear for improving its terminal phase maneuverability when engaging agile targets like fighters.

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    GLIDE

    This 2015 study in a Chinese scientific journal discusses the flight path and performance of a VLRAAM, which flies 15 km upward of its launching fighter to a 30 km altitude, and is guided by a combination of long range radars (like Chinese AEWC planes) and satellite navigation, before divebombing at hypersonic speeds onto enemy aircraft, including stealth fighters, stealth bombers and AEWC aircraft.

    J8 at cjdby.net via Hongjian

    Interestingly, the ability to glide may be a key feature as well. A 2016 research paper by Zhang Hongyuan, Zheng Yuejing, and Shi Xiaorong of Beijing Institute of Control and Electronics Technology linked to the VLRAAM development suggests that the midcourse portion of the VLRAAM's flight will occur at altitudes above 30 km (about 18.6 miles). Flying at such low pressure, low drag high altitudes would allow the VLRAAM to extend its range (similar to hypersonic gliders). The high altitude also makes it difficult for enemy aircraft and air defenses to shoot it down midflight. Finally, high altitude flight means that the VLRAAM would have a high angle of attack against lower flying targets, which reduces the response time for enemy evasive action.

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    DIVINE EAGLE AT WAR

    The Divine Eagle is shown here in both offensive operations (providing targeting for smart bombs to strike enemy SAM, communications, bunkers and ballistic ICBMs) as well as defensive operations (detecting American stealth aircraft before they enter China airspace). This HALE drone, with radars optimized to detect stealth aircraft, would be part of a wider Chinese air defense network that would guide VLRAAMs against enemy stealth aircraft.

    Hongjian and henri K

    Another researched VLRAAM function is datalinking; the papers called for the VLRAAM to be embedded within a highly integrated combat networks. It is envisioned as just part of a larger wave of networked solutions aggregated through multiple Chinese systems. For example, a J-20 stealth fighter wouldn't mount the missile (the VLRAAM is too large to fit in the J-20's weapons bay), but could use its low observable features to fly relatively close in order to detect enemy assets like AEW&C aircraft (which are vital to gather battlespace data for manned and unmanned assets, but subsonic in speed and less able to evade missiles). Then before breaking off contact, the J-20 would signal a J-16 400 km (249 miles) away (outside the range of most air to air missiles) providing it the data needed to launch the VLRAAM at the target. This would offer China a longer range version of present U.S. tactics that involve using the fifth generation F-22 as a sensor for 4th generation fighters as the "shooters."

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    THE FUTURE IS HERE

    In operation, the VLRAAM will provide J-20 stealth fighters with long range "aerial artillery" to even the odds against numerically superior air forces, while giving new life to J-11 and J-16 fighters. It can also give J-15 carrier fighters a long range interception capability to defend Chinese naval forces.

    Chinese Internet via WeChat

    The gains in range and speed of the VLRAAM pose another significant risk to the concepts of the U.S. military's "Third Offset." U.S. operations are highly dependent on assets like aerial tankers, dedicated electronic warfare aircraft, and AEW&C. For example, without aerial tankers, the relatively short range of the F-35s would become even more of a liability in long range operations in the South China Seas and Taiwan Straits. Similarly, without AEW&C aircraft, F-22s would have to use onboard radars more, raising their risk of detection. Even for stealthy tanker platforms like the planned MQ-25 Stingray drone and proposed KC-Z tanker will be vulnerable to VLRAAMs if detected by emerging dedicated anti-stealth systems such as the Divine Eagle drone and Yuanmeng airship.

    By pushing the Chinese air defense threat bubble hundreds of miles out further, they also offer to turn the long range tables on the putative U.S. "Arsenal" Plane concept, a Pentagon plan to launch missiles from non-stealthy planes from afar. In sum, VLRAAM is not just a big missile, but a potential big deal for the future of air warfare.
     
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    scoldballs Alfrescian Old Timer

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    Fucking KNN SHIOK!

    A-A missile @ MACH6 @400km range.

    From SG airspace can splash a plane above Ipoh Malaysia within under 4 minutes!

    Splash a plane above KLIA within at most 3 mins.

    No running away from this.
     
  14. pakchewcheng

    pakchewcheng Alfrescian Old Timer

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    The reverse is even more possible and more likely !
    China more likely to sell to across the causeway then to ArseLoon, his paper generals and Stinkapore where US of A warships are welcummed.
     
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    Contrary to John Tan's idea, PLA with these missiles, can take any plane down in WHOLE Taiwan air space right from within PRC air space directly without even going out to the sea coast. Air to Air missile will fly across straits to kill any planes directly - at 6X speed of sound flying 400km under 4 mins. There is no missile from Taiwan side that can reach PRC mainland to do the same.

    Ah Tiong Tua Kee!
     
  16. pakchewcheng

    pakchewcheng Alfrescian Old Timer

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    I do not want a war between China and US of A, or hope to see a war between those two.
    Even as I enjoy my chips and dips and popcorn with my wulung tea at the beginning, the outcome
    will be catastrophic for the rest of the world even if the war do not cross over to nuclear exchanges.
    And in that environment, nuclear exchange will be just one button push away that will send many fingers to push their buttons.

    And if nuclear exchange is involved, the very lucky ones will be the ones that died in the many suns that descended on Earth. The rest of us will live in a world
    forever changed and to starve and to die very slowly and see our family starve and die.

    With superpowers gone, we see a world with rogue countries and mickey mouse leaders like Stinkapore trying to control whatever draps is left.

    But if the H20 is to fly in anger, the H20 will not fly alone. The US of A aircraft carriers will be at the bottom of the sea sunk by swarms of ASCMs and punctured from above with Mach 10 WU14s released by DF21D and DF26.
    Or the carriers remain in Frisco Bay.

    The US of A flying tankers needed to fuel their fighters and bombers , and the AWACs needed to guide and control their planes will all be gone taken out by those Chinese VLRAAMs

    None of the US of A airbases will be functioning in Japan and Taiwan and Guam or Korea. Or in Stinkapore.

    Chinese have practise targetting them as can be seen in later photos. You can see China pin point accuracy of their missile strikes hitting their intended targets at Mach 10 to 11. resulting
    in no more airbases and airfields for USA planes to take off from, or to land later.
    Get the PDF of below article for even more astounding photos and images of China pin point missle strikes https://s3.amazonaws.com/files.cnas...rt-FirstStrike-Final.pdf?mtime=20170626140814

    So anymore talk cock about
    Then take out China little by little. First thing first, the SCS... island chain around it. Enforce a no fly zone for ship and aeroplane.
    Plot the downfall of Yuan.

    What's the point of having a longer range that the US bombers when it is clear that the chinks' bombers will be shot down before they fly past Taiwan or Japan?


    :D:D:D

    Kong langjeow wei

    :D:D:D



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    https://www.cnas.org/publications/reports/first-strike-chinas-missile-threat-to-u-s-bases-to-asia


    JUNE 28, 2017

    First Strike: China's Missile Threat to U.S. Bases in Asia
    By CDR Thomas Shugart, USN

    Y ou may have heard that China’s military has developed a “carrier-killer” ballistic missile to threaten one of America’s premier power-projection tools, its unmatched fleet of aircraft carriers.1 Or perhaps you have read about China’s deployment of its own aircraft carrier to the Taiwan Strait and South China Sea. But heavily defended moving targets like aircraft carriers would be a challenge to hit in open ocean, and were China’s own aircraft carrier (or even two or three like it) to venture into open water in anger, the U.S. submarine force likely would make short work of it.2 In reality, the greatest military threat to U.S. vital interests in Asia may be one that has received somewhat less attention: the growing capability of China’s missile forces to threaten U.S. bases in the region.


    In a time of rising geopolitical tension in Asia, U.S. leaders and policymakers should understand that in the event of an unforeseen U.S.-China crisis, especially one that appears to threaten China’s claimed core strategic interests or the legitimacy of the Chinese Communist Party, a preemptive missile strike against the forward bases that underpin U.S. military power in the Western Pacific could be a real possibility. This might be the case particularly if China perceives that its attempts at deterrence of a major U.S. intervention – say in a cross-strait Taiwan crisis or in a brewing dispute over the Senkaku Islands – have failed.3 Driven partly by distinct first-mover advantages associated with the employment of modern long range precision weaponry, such a preemptive strike appears consistent with available information about China’s missile force doctrine and military strategy, and satellite imagery shown below points to what may be real-world Chinese efforts to practice its execution.

    But does China have the missile forces necessary to execute a preemptive missile strike, and would it work against U.S. and allied missile defenses in Asia? We conducted an analysis to attempt to answer these questions. The results of our modeling and simulation, which show the potential for devastation of U.S. power projection forces and bases in Asia, are deeply concerning – and a call for action.

    The People’s Liberation Army Rocket Force: Precision Strike with Chinese Characteristics
    Officially founded in 1966 as the PLA Second Artillery Corps (SAC), China’s ballistic missile force originally was focused primarily on nuclear deterrence.4 Informed by China’s analysis of the startling success of U.S. precision strike cruise missiles against Iraqi forces during the 1990–91 Gulf War, the force transformed from a strictly nuclear strategic force to one with both nuclear and conventional ballistic missiles, through a strategy of “Dual Deterrence and Dual operations.”5 Adopting what was described in 2013 by Ian Easton of Project 2049 as a “projectile-centric strategy,” this has resulted in China focusing on the delivery of precision strike munitions via individual projectiles (such as cruise and ballistic missiles) rather than the platform-based strike forces (such as aircraft, ships, and submarines) that are the hallmark of U.S. power projection.6 This strategy minimizes China’s disadvantages in platform capabilities, and takes advantage of asymmetric factors such as theater geography (U.S. and allied lack of strategic depth in Asia), financial asymmetries (low costs of Chinese munitions production), and gaps in international law (China’s nonparticipation in the U.S.-Russia Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty).7 The PLA Rocket Forces recognized early on that this new approach would be fundamental during what China refers to as a “local war under modern, high-technology conditions,” and that it would require an improvement in both the quality and the quantity of their missiles.8 Growing in size throughout this transformation, the Chinese missile force now consists of about 100,000 personnel9 – by comparison roughly ten times that of the U.S.’s primary ballistic missile force, the U.S. 20th Air Force.10 And in 2015, what had been the Second Artillery Corps was elevated to a status coequal to that of China’s other military services and officially renamed as the PLA Rocket Force.11

    In terms of specific missions, Michael S. Chase of the U.S. Naval War College wrote in 2014 that PLA Rocket Force doctrine calls for a range of deterrence, compellence, and coercive operations. In the event that deterrence fails, the missions of a conventional missile strike campaign could include “launching firepower strikes against important targets in the enemy’s campaign and strategic deep areas.”12 Potential targets of such strikes would include command centers, communications hubs, radar stations, guided missile positions, air force and naval facilities, transport and logistical facilities, fuel depots, electrical power centers, and aircraft carrier strike groups.

    Chase also stated that “In all, Chinese military writings on conventional missile campaigns stress the importance of surprise and suggest a preference for preemptive strikes.” And while most Sinologists discount the idea of a true bolt-from-the-blue attack in a crisis without first giving an adversary a chance to back down, preemptive missile strikes to initiate active hostilities could be consistent with China’s claimed overall military strategy of “active defense.”13 As a 2007 RAND study of China’s anti-access strategies outlined, “This paradox is explained by defining the enemy’s first strike as ‘any military activities conducted by the enemy aimed at breaking up China territorially and violating its sovereignty’ . . . and thereby rendered the equivalent of a ‘strategic first shot.’”14 China analyst Dean Cheng stated similarly in 2015, “From Mao to now, the concept of the active defense has emphasized assuming the strategic defensive, while securing the operational and tactical initiative, including preemptive actions at those levels if necessary.”15 Thus, China could consider a preemptive missile strike to be a defensive “counterattack” to an adversary’s threatening of China’s sovereignty (e.g., claims to Taiwan or the South China Sea) solely in the political or strategic realm.

    While most Sinologists discount the idea of a true bolt-from-the-blue attack in a crisis without first giving an adversary a chance to back down, preemptive missile strikes to initiate active hostilities could be consistent with China’s claimed overall military strategy of ‘active defense.’

    In some ways, the PLA Rocket Force’s doctrine may parallel what Western analysts have learned about Cold War–era Soviet plans to deal with NATO’s maritime forces. Soviet doctrine took a holistic view of anti-carrier and antisubmarine warfare, with an emphasis on coordinated action against both enemy operating forces and the logistical and command centers that support them. In a nuclear conflict, Soviet doctrine emphasized the use of nuclear cruise and ballistic missiles to strike ships in port along with other key installations.16 But by the end of the Cold War, Soviet analysts considered that modern high accuracy conventional weapons had become “comparable in combat effectiveness with low-yield tactical nuclear weapons.”17 An examination of a 1975 RAND corporation study of low-yield nuclear weapon effects seems to confirm this idea: When weapon accuracy is improved to a few meters (or tens of feet), the estimated likelihood of destruction for some “soft” targets by conventional weapons (perhaps equivalent to a .001kT warhead) appears roughly equivalent to the effects of typical tactical nuclear weapons, which were likely to miss their targets by several hundred feet.18 By marrying great accuracy with numerous ballistic missiles, China may have developed a capability that the Soviet armed forces never had: the ability to strike effectively, in a matter of minutes, U.S. and allied bases, logistical facilities, and command centers without resorting to the use of nuclear weapons, and without having established air superiority. As Ian Easton stated in 2013,

    "The Chinese military may achieve strategic effects that until recently were only achievable through the use of nuclear weapons...during the Cold War, both NATO and Warsaw Pact forces tasked nuclear missile units with the mission of destroying the other’s key air bases. The PLA plans to achieve the same effect with a relatively small number of ballistic missiles armed with conventional runway penetrating submunitions.19"
    As a side note, China’s cyber doctrine also stresses that “striking first and striking hard” is essential, with a similar focus on preemptive strikes and offensive dominance.20 Given China’s mutual vulnerability to cyber disruption of command and control networks, notably those of the somewhat dispersed PLA Rocket Force, the dynamics of the new cyber domain of military operations may work additively with the other first-mover advantages associated with precision kinetic strikes. This could further drive Chinese decisionmaking toward preemptive strikes, both kinetic and non-kinetic, in the event of a crisis.

    Coming of Age
    According to the U.S. Department of Defense’s recently-released annual report to Congress on the Chinese military, China currently fields about 1,200 conventionally armed short-range ballistic missiles (SRBMs, 300-1000 km range), 200 to 300 conventional medium-range ballistic missiles (MRBMs, 1000 to 3000 km), an indeterminate number of conventional intermediate-range ballistic missiles (IRBMs, 3000-5,500 km), and 200-300 ground launched cruise missiles (GLCMs, 1500+ km). A 2015 RAND study provided 2017 inventory estimates of similar scale, and also estimated that improvements in the accuracy of China’s ballistic missiles may allow them to strike fixed targets in a matter of minutes with an accuracy of a few meters. RAND assessed that key U.S. facilities throughout Japan already could be within range of thousands of difficult-to-defeat advanced ballistic and cruise missiles (see Figure 1). 21


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    PLA Rocket Force missile ranges vs. U.S. bases in Asia.

    And in recent years, the PLA Rocket Force appears to have been making real the specific targeting capabilities necessary to support execution of the preemptive strike discussed above. As examples, a 2009 RAND study of open-source literature suggested that flechette submunitions likely would be used against missile launchers, parked aircraft, fuel tanks, vehicles, air defense weapons, and ships in port.22 Penetrating munitions would be used against airfield runways, aircraft shelters, and semi-underground fuel tanks.23 In terms of sequencing, the study suggested that an initial wave of ballistic missiles would neutralize air defenses and command centers and crater the runways of military air bases, trapping aircraft on the ground. These initial paralyzing ballistic missile salvos could then be followed by waves of cruise missiles and aircraft targeting hardened aircraft shelters, aircraft parked in the open, and fuel handling and maintenance facilities.

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    Possible PLA Rocket Force ballistic missile impact range in Western China.

    These capabilities already may have been tested at a ballistic missile impact test site (see Figure 2) located on the edge of the Gobi Desert in western China.24 Commercial satellite images seem to show a range of test targets representing just the sort of objectives discussed in the doctrine above, including groups of vehicles (perhaps representing mobile air and missile defense batteries – see Figure 3), aircraft targets parked in the open (Figure 4), fuel depots (Figure 5), runway cratering submunition tests (Figure 6), electrical power facilities (Figure 7), and the delivery of penetrating munitions to hardened shelters and bunkers (Figure 8) and command centers (Figure 9). Of note, the 2007 RAND study mentioned above stated that submunitions are generally not capable of penetrating the hardened shelters used to house fighter aircraft at many air bases, that China’s ballistic missiles lack the accuracy to ensure a high percentage of direct hits using unitary warheads, and thus, “fighter aircraft in hardened shelters would be relatively safe from Chinese ballistic missile attack.” This clearly appears no longer to be the case, and the demonstrated ability to precisely deliver penetrating warheads to facilities such as command centers in a matter of minutes also could provide a key capability to destroy them, with their command staffs, in the initial waves of an attack.

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    Left side – Possible vehicle targets with submunition impact pattern, imagery dated December 2013. Right side – U.S. Patriot air and missile defense battery, Kadena Air Base, Okinawa, Japan. Scale of submunition pattern overlaid for comparison.

    China has not been shy about displaying the advancing capabilities of the PLA Rocket Force. Beijing openly displayed some of its latest missiles (such as the DF-26 “Guam-killer” missile25) in its 70th anniversary parade in 2015 and painted the missiles’ identification on their sides in Western characters, in case anyone missed the point.26 The PLA Rocket Force also put out a recruiting music video and other TV footage showing the employment of multiple coordinated missile launches, as well as the use of submunitions.27

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    Possible parked aircraft target, imagery dated August 2013. Upper left – aircraft shaped target, imagery dated May 2012. Lower right – F-22 fighter parking area, Kadena Air Base, Okinawa, Japan.

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    Possible test targets simulating above-ground fuel tanks, imagery dated September 2012. Compared with actual fuel tanks in Japan, similar scale.

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    Possible runway cratering munition testing, imagery dated September 2012.

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    Possible mock electronic substation target, imagery dated July 2013. Note no electrical lines running to or from the target in its very remote location. While no craters are visible, disablement may be planned using other methods, such as dispersal of conductive graphite filaments.

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    Possible hardened aircraft shelter or bunker test targets, imagery dated October 2016. Penetrator submunition impacts visible. Lower right – Misawa Air Base, Japan, similar scale.

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    Possible test targets simulating command center buildings, imagery dated May 2012 (undamaged) and May 2016 (showing impact points). Right hand side – U.S. Naval Forces Japan headquarters, Yokosuka, Japan; similar scale.
     
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    pakchewcheng Alfrescian Old Timer

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    So anymore talk cock about
    Then take out China little by little. First thing first, the SCS... island chain around it. Enforce a no fly zone for ship and aeroplane.
    Plot the downfall of Yuan.

    What's the point of having a longer range that the US bombers when it is clear that the chinks' bombers will be shot down before they fly past Taiwan or Japan?


    :D:D:D

    Kong langjeow wei

    :D:D:D

    Don't you even dare to mention Chinese copied the West and Russia.
    After all Chinese invented gunpowder and rockets and guns which the Mongols took with them to spread good news in Russia and Europe when luckily for them,
    the death of Ogodei the Khan in Mongolia on Dec 11 1241 brought back the Mongols to elect the next Khan when all the armies of Europe were destroyed and annihilated.
    Only then the West knew of gunpowder and rockets and guns that they then copied.

    China then recently improved on all of that to the point their missiles a paradigm shift above USA and Russia.
    And no crap talk about China needing to copy the fucking Terrex of Stinkapore.

    Part of China missile lead came from their research and using of N15 propellant while the USA and Russia still uses the Trident D-5 propellent.
    Also the advances and lead of China now in the guidance and radar subsystems and anti-jamming integrated into complete networks to bring the missiles good news to their targets.
    And Chinese design in integrating all above together and industrial productions to churn out thousands of the various missiles.

    I still hope not for war between China and USA. After all, as Sun Zi pointed out in his ancient book of warcraft,
    "The supreme excellence is to subdue the armies of your enemies without having to fight them."

    But if push comes to shove, I do not want to see China losing.

    USA knows that now. So anymore shit talk Kong langjeow wei about
    Then take out China little by little. First thing first, the SCS... island chain around it. Enforce a no fly zone for ship and aeroplane.
    Plot the downfall of Yuan.

    What's the point of having a longer range that the US bombers when it is clear that the chinks' bombers will be shot down before they fly past Taiwan or Japan?


    :D:D:D


    www.bestchinanews.com/Military/5680.html


    Foreign media shocked China air missiles have been achieved across the board across the board
    2017-01-16 16:10:46 395 ℃

    Author 92JM

    What is "across the board"? "Across the board" is covering all categories of air-to-air missiles, short-range, medium range and long-range, ultra long range; it also refers to the various key indicators of air-to-air missile. "Crossing" refers to the performance indicators in the ranks of the world's advanced, while some are beyond the world leading level. The following is the most advancedFour kinds of air to air missileFrom is a short-range combat missile interceptor from PL-10, PL-12, PL-15 and remote interceptor, ultra long distance missile. Figure out the difference between the latter three appearance, why PL-15 is not PL-12's wing folding version? After the text will explain.

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    The following one by one analysis the advanced four missiles, the first to see the close combat missile. The table below is our army and the world representative air-to-air elastic energy comparison. From the recent news that picture PL-10 has been our main force fighter, 2016 Zhuhai airshow PL-10E is export-oriented, although there is no disclosure of accurate data, but the chief engineer in interview pointed out itHas entered the four generation of the world's advanced ranks.

    PL-10 is chosenLarger diameterThat is a summary of the combat effectiveness of air-to-air missile is presented after the beauty of europe. Close combat missile requires high mobility, the "mobility" is not only the national leaflets marked on the "maximum overload", it is the largest segment of the first motor overload power can achieve. The small size of the combat missile, usually only a dozen seconds of power, followed by non power flight, the speed is slow, the corresponding mobility decreased significantly. So the length of combat missile force is a key measure of performance, because in order to get rid of air combat missile tracking, the enemy will continue doing complex maneuvers.

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    If the power section combat missile is very short, in a high speed maneuvering reentry, fell sharply, with a corresponding decrease in mobility, it is easy to get rid of the enemy; at the same time, in the power section "rudder" has no effect on mobility, canard or movable tail, which is the PL-10 tail select (Butterfly) reason obtrapezoid.

    Compared with most combat missile is triangular, trapezoid tail, obtrapezoid not only take into account the attachment section (due to resistance of non motorized tail area and torque equivalent), longer in maneuver (larger lateral tail). From the figure we can see that in the early development of PL-10, the tail is trapezoidal,Later changed to obtrapezoid. Show design staff said: PL-10 has a high mobility (60+G), reached the maximum angle of attackLimit of aerodynamic designAt the same time, the maximum off-axis emission angle is the three generationseveral times.

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    In addition PL-10's wing is a long strip of strake wing, both to meet the requirements of large range of lift, and improve body structure of high strength maneuver, against four generation machine supersonic maneuver, while also reducing the shell structure meet the high strength to weight the maneuver. So that the European "rod" Close play is not tall, it needs at a certain angle of attack missile flight, at the expense of the cost of range and mobility, is not the mainstream of development, the United States and Russia have no choice is justified. The larger diameter and aerodynamic layout of the choice, so that the PL-10 has a greater range, and in the second half of the range has a higher mobility, the combination of both to ensure that the PL-10 in the four generation fighters, withThe most effective attack range(25Km).

    Another advantage of PL-10 is that the infrared staring imaging seeker256 X 256Pixel, effective rate reached 99%, chief engineer said its stronger anti-jamming capability and has anti stealth ability; the latest models AIM-9X and AIM-132 are in Europe128 X 128This means that the PL-10 imaging resolution is higher, you can lock farther or infrared signal smaller targets. Secondly, chief engineer said: as the PL-10 diameter larger, the quality of its warhead (15Kg) than other short-range combat missile 50 - 100%, the maximum radius of destruction.

    The PL-10 is the same as the AIM-9X, with 8 wide beam laser proximity fuze windows behind the warhead to make the warhead more accurate. The above three points of superposition effect makes PL-10Attack damage performance greatly increasedPlus, with further effective range and after higher mobility, PL-10 has close combat missile super performance.

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    The method of "Mika" missile of larger diameter, mainly in order to close from the bomb and bomb using the same warhead and the power section, because the technology of the time limit, the performance is still less than PL-10. Although the United States AIM-9X high technical level, but limited to the smaller diameter, effective range, the quality of the warhead and the number of infrared imaging elements are less than PL-10.

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    Then talk about the medium range interceptor, the middle range is also known as super range interceptor. The range of flight speed and power range directly affects the effective interception range, and the range of the active radar seeker is another key factor. These two indicators farther, means that the interceptor "aircraft not escape" more. Some of the interceptor data label range over one hundred kilometers, it is only the maximum flight distance of the missile, the flight speed is very low, basically no mobility.

    The actual interception range of the interceptor is much shorter than the maximum range, and the escape zone is smaller. No escape zone is divided into head-on and chase, the former than the latter in 30%. It can be known from the following tableChina PL-12 these indicators are tied with the United States AIM-120C first70, the effective range of 80Km, can not escape from the head-on 45\/ chase 35Km, were better than the rest of the world from the interceptor. Only the AIM-120C of the bullet diameter and the projectile weight is smaller, the off-axis emission angle is slightly larger, but this does not affect the PL-12 to become the world's outstanding super visual range interceptor.

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    The reason why the PL-12 has a higher speed, but also has a far effective interception distance, thanks toDouble pulse solid rocket. The solid phase of the solid rocket in the early interceptor was the same as that of the entire fuel, that is, the burning rate of the fuel from the beginning to the end is the same. So there is a problem, the initial period of the missile in order to accelerate the large acceleration, namely combustion velocity reaches a certain speed; if it is still the same combustion speed, fuel will soon burn, missile early into the reentry, flying slowly lost interception.

    If it is a double pulse solid rocket, that is, solid fuel is divided into two sections, the first part of the burning speed, reaching a higher speed after the burning speed is slow, the thrust is to maintain a constant speed flight. The same amount of fuel using dual pulse, the missile can make the power flight longer, higher speed and higher maneuverability, natural missile interception distance and the effective escape zone is farther. See the screenshot below, the double pulse is the two ignition function, there is a gap between the one or two pulses, according to different requirements of the design of different baffle openings layout, shape and size.

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    In order to increase the interception distance, the military powers in the middle range interceptor, based on the development of a further range of interceptor. Before the advent of dual pulse solid rocket technology, some only increase the projectile power segment diameter and length (such as AIM-54), there is also a way to increase the booster rocket (such as Russia's AA-10M), then using the oxidant of ramjet engine is the advantages of air, the development of solid rocket ramjet engine +. Such as the Russian R-77 improved and European "meteor" (see below).

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    According to the data of a few years ago Chinese airshow, also had remote interceptor scheme of ramjet (PL-21)However, this scheme was abandoned because of the impact of the heavy overload on the normal operation of the ramjet engine, which was replaced by the PL-15. The following puzzle is PL-12 (top) and PL-15 (middle and lower). The reason that hung in the f -20 test machine (2002) in the magazine is remote abdominal missile interceptor, not from the interceptor PL-12 fold (or shrink) wing version, but a substantial increase in new missile range,For three reasons:

    (1)If the missile is the same length as the PL-12, according to the proportion of the following figure, the bomb body diameter than PL-12 10 - 15%;(2)Installation rack from setting version of F -20 magazine 2X5 hole analysis, magazine can shape mount to three PL-12, while in the picture of 2002 machine hanging spring picture, body length is close to the length of the magazine, is clearly not the glyph hanging three;(3)A magazine paper shows that annihilates -20 gate length is 4.5 meters, the cylinder wall length is about 4.3 meters, two missiles are "almost of indomitable spirit" in magazine, then this type of missileNot less than 4 metres in length, and the length of PL-12 is 3.85 meters.

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    The first four missiles in the table below are from China, Russia and the United StatesLong-range interceptorThe United States of AmericaAIM-54Although the maximum speed of 5M., but because it is not a double pulse solid rocket, in the second half of the flight speed slow mobility is poor, poor interception effect, coupled with heavy body has retired. RussianAA-10MThe rocket, the actual effect is not bad;RVV-AE-PDThe ramjet engine, although appeared in the show, but now there is no service.China's PL-15 uses dual (multi) pulse solid rocketWith a smaller diameter, 200Km range, not only can be in the four generation machine magazine mounted world only distance interceptor, or F -11B, f -15, -16 and PL-15 is used to kill the swordBidirectional data link. Above (below) is f -11B mount PL-15.

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    The last three in the table are ChineseUltra long range interceptorRussia, RussiaR-172,RVV-BD. From the recent analysis of the image appears on the Internet, China's ultra long range interceptor large length to diameter ratio and there is no main wing, flight resistance is small, but also a multi pulse solid rocket, so far (400+Km). It is a high ballistic flight path, intercept in climb, cruise altitude and dive section, hollow and terminal thrust is different. It is concluded that the choice of ballistic trajectory and multi pulse technique is better than that of the same kind of missile in the missile.

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    From the pictures on the Internet, China this ultra long-range interceptor is hanging in the f -16 wing, three generation fighter radar cannot be found and lock out to 400+Km, then this is how to intercept missile guidance? The actual carrying machine is just one combat system, we know that air marshals 500 effective detection distance is 470Km, and there are strong functions of satellite communication, the missile attack is a major target enemy aircraft, refueling machine this kind of poor mobility and slow speed.

    By the early warning of F -16 emission over long distance missile midcourse guidance instruction implementation is feasible. AIM-54 retired, the United States currently does not have such a long-range interceptor PL-15, there is no such ultra long-range interceptor. So if the United States and China in the future air combat, we have more than a U.S. air strike early warning tactics, its early warning aircraft can only hide in the distance.

    When the early warning system of other machine or the army found the enemy detection equipment, f -16 emission over long distance missile, by two-way broadband data link AWACS via satellite, issued guidance commands to the missile. Why is it via satellite relay communication? Because the (on) you can see a convex block and projectile of different colors in the air above the warhead, we can see that the satellite signal for different types of guided Ground Attack Munitions, this device is in the same position, it is a satellite signal receiving antenna. Guided by the satellite command signal, the aircraft flew to a distance of dozens of kilometers away from the target area, and the active radar captured the target signal. The jigsaw puzzle (below) is the schematic diagram of the missile flight path and the segmented guidance.

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    Readers may have three questions:(1)This ultra long range missile will not be mentioned in the previous version of the PL-15 does not have a trapezoidal main wing? No, in addition to the multi warhead satellite signal receiving antenna if carefully controlled, the same aircraft annihilates -11 family, this type of missile projectile, PL-15 longer than larger diameter.

    (2)Compared with PL-15, the projectile is not a lot of increase, why the range can be doubled? First, the use of high ballistic, high-altitude air thin resistance is small, far more distant than the hollow flight. 'mount AirshowCM-400Air to ground missile,Condor 400Long-range rockets are also using high ballistic range is much larger than the same. Two is the use of solid fuels this special missile: we know that the world advanced strategic ballistic missiles are used N15 high-energy solid fuel, solid fuel N15 is reported the highest energy and the best overall performance, suitable for wall pouring, but N15 fuel is expensive and not generally used for tactical missile.

    The following is a paper "N15 class high-energy low characteristic propellant in tactical missile engine application research" screenshot, the article introduces60%N15 blended fuelCost reduction can be used for tactical missiles. This thesis published many years ago mentioned tactical missile using the mixed fuel, four have been shooting all the success, so there is reason to believe that it can be used for ultra long range interceptor.

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    In addition, solid propellant in addition to fuel and oxidizer, many years ago, another paper also talked about China is developingHNFOxidant, specific impulse ratio of existing oxidantUpgrade 30%. Last year, Beijing Institute of Technology news network has a message, the school developed the energetic materialsCL-20As the main oxidant of the highest energy solid propellant in our country, our country's solid rocket propulsion capability has been greatly improved, and it has become a dazzling contribution to the field of aerospace power. Dual fuel and oxidizer performance, coupled with the use of high trajectory, creating a super range of this type of missile, with the support of the combat system, will form an effective threat to the u.s..

    Ultra long distance missile can not only by AWACS in remote guidance, but also by the f -20 stealth UAV, guidance, the so-called"A radio B guide". This requires a B machine with self networking broadband two-way data link system, because the three generation of the Link16 data link system is the weapon platform and the early warning machine connected, the platform can not self networking. Four generation machines are availableBroadband bidirectional data link system (IFDL) for Ad Hoc Networks.

    The -20 antenna has six fuselage width data chain. F -20 by stealth performance, can be in the distance early warning aircraft closer to enemy airspace, and directional emission signals (highly secretive). The rear launched over long distance missile using inertial guidance and the -16 Instruction Guided climbing and cruising altitude, the f -20 issued a directive to subduction segment and hollow guidance to search, to capture the target missile and return data, using the f -20 super cruise function quickly from the missile attack, to the enemy aircraft, refueling machine.

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    Super distance interceptor to play Jones the efficiency of searching and tracking performance of warhead active radar is also crucial. It is not only related to whether the search and target in the far distance, also relates to contact machine before the distance, find the target distance farther, B guide machine more safety. The following screenshot is introduced years ago in China developed the antenna diameter300mmThe Ku band of the active phased array antenna, the antenna array consists ofEight hundred and thirty-twoSingle unit transmit powerTwo hundredMW, array surface division12The digital beam forming ability can be achieved, while the edge searching and tracking can be realized.

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    GanAs the core of the microwave components are promoting the third revolution in the development of radar, which is mainly reflected in the increase in transmission power, reduce the size and weight. The same area increases the antenna detection distance77%At the same transmission power, the number of the transmitting unit is beforeOne-tenthIt is possible to provide the technology for the small size of the antenna and the detection of the missile.

    In recent years, our country in the phased array antenna components of raw materials technology is advancing rapidly, the following figure shows that China in the world for the first time successfully developed X band continuous wave power output
    119W Gan (GaN) power HEMTThe detection distance, active phased array antenna which makes the components increase, can be ultra distance interceptor in dozens, even hundreds of kilometers away, and provide technical support for the big target this warning machine.

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    In summary, PL-10 is the world leading level in close combat missile, PL-12 in distance interceptor is tied for first, in remote and ultra long-range interceptor, Chinese is the champion in the world, so
    Our air to air missiles have been formed across the boardProvide, both long and sharp sword for the active of the three generation machine and coming into the column of the four generation machine, to provide equipment support for the construction of the world first-class air force of pla.
     
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    China's future satellite navigation will be millimeter-accurate


    The Beidou 3 will guide military munitions and drones.

    By Jeffrey Lin November 7, 2017



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    BEIDOU LAUNCH

    The Beidou satellite is usually launched by LM-3 space launch vehicles.

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    China's military is updating its satellite navigation system, launching tech that'll offer super accurate guidance for munitions and drones.

    On Sept. 29, China launched two Beidou 3 satellites from a Long March 3C rocket from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center in Sichuan province. Another two Beidou 3 satellites will launch before the end of 2017, part of a network of 20 Beidou 3 and 10 older Beidou 2 satellites set to go up by 2020.

    Civilian GPS receivers generally achieve higher accuracy by combining signals of several satellites, and indeed the completed Beidou Navigation Satellite System is expected to provide global coverage, with millimeter-level accuracy.

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    BEIDOU 3

    Beidou 3 satellites will offer superior accuracy compared to current Chinese navigation satellites.

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    Plus, thanks to a new, more accurate atomic clock, the Beidou 3 satellites will also be able to send more precisely timed radio pulses. Atomic clocks, which are set to the oscillations of atoms from stable isotopes, are highly accurate. The American NIST-F2 atomic clock, for example, is designed to lose only a second every 300 million years.

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    BEIDOU 2/COMPASS

    The Beidou 2/Compass navigation satellites will have 35 satellites once completed, with 5 in geosynchronous orbit, and 30 in middle earth orbit.

    China Academy of Space Technology, via Escobar on Sinodefence Forum

    The system will also likely have new, jam-proof chips. Allystar Technology has unveiled a computer chip for use in Beidou receivers, providing instant accuracy without the aid of augmentation by ground control stations. This computer chip's ability to enhance satellite navigation signals could enable military Beidou users to withstand enemy attempts to jam satellite navigation.

    The Beidou 3 satellite navigation service is expected to be available only to Chinese military and national security users for the foreseeable future. The updates could be particularly useful for Chinese unmanned systems (like small quadcopter drones) as well as long-range cruise missiles.
     

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