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Discussion in 'The Courtyard Café' started by democracy my butt, Dec 10, 2017.

  1. tanwahtiu

    tanwahtiu Alfrescian Old Timer

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    Haha... USA no fight. Old tech orways break down.

     
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    One of xijinping general who accompanied him to mar lago has commited suicide. Something going on in china top hiearchy.
     
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    If the Chinese fleet arrived in UK during that time, it was difficult to understand a game of soccer, with the crowds jostling and dwinking beer. Bloody violent blokes these Britishers.

    Cheers!

     
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    The USA has not violated any contract with the UN if I may say so. If there was US violations, if was likely a CIA attempt to subvert some action sanctioned by a major US corporation, nothing to do with the US citizen, In fact, they aren't even supposed to know about such things..

    PRC now consumes more Coca Cola than all of Europe. Big Mac sales in PRC are still growing, that the world is crying for vegan thinking to be the norm for the sake of the sanctity of cattle and other animals.

    Cheers!

     
  5. Tony Tan

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    Huat Ah! Ang Moh finally learned the true intent of PLA's PL-15 A-A missile! It is certainly to kill Ang Moh's AWACs & Air-Refuel Tankers, these are usually the targets hard to engage with A-A missiles because both, that they are usually too distance away and too protected to get close to kill. PL-15 is an extra-long range A-A missile. Estimate range 400-500km aka when fired from SG53 air space can kill AWACs / Tankers almost at Penang air space.

    AWACs & Tankers & Troop Transporters (e.g. C-17 C-5 C-130) are all slow aircraft targets, unlike fighter jets. Usually are also High Value Targets, because once hit, it cost the enemy huge losses and huge mission compromise and handicap & in case of troop carriers hundreds of death toll.

    These targets usually stay well apart and away from where your fighter jets can go for a kill, usually gets fighter escort, and fighter to engage you when you come for a kill. However, now with PL-15. It can engage & kill you far before your fighter escort could engage / kill them. So, they will come to 400km range to fire PL-15 & leave, and your escorting fighter jets can only engage them at the most 120km due to USAF LRAAMs missile range MAX Limit.

    With PL-15 PLA can just shoot from 400~500km range at highest value targets, down them and happily and safely return to base, and USAF escort jets are absolutely unable to engage them, and are at highest self-risk, if PLA got extra PL-15 balance after downing the AWAC / Tanker / Transporters, they will certainly down the escorting fighters as well. No escape and no chance to fire back, because they can never be reached!

    This can be visualized / illustrated:

    USAF fighter jets escort AWAC near Penang air space, PLA AWAC discovered from Indon air space (detection range over 850km possible) calls PLA 3 jets armed with PL-15 from Jakarta, when reached SG53 air space, volley of PL-15 A-A missiles fired at USAF near Penang @MACH4 speed (10mins flight time), the tracking command is by PLA AWAC from Indon air space. PLA attack jets can return to base after fired PL-15. There is nothing USAF can do to dodge as the targets are slow moving heavy targets and PL-15 comes at 4900km/h speed. To shoot at PLA jets is impossible unless USAF jets were at 120km from SG53 air space (in Johore nearer than Muar) for MAX MACH2 USAF jets to fly from Penang to Muar needs 15 mins. The PLA jets already returned and reach base before you chase. Besides they can use PL-15 to kill you any time, your chase will be suicidal.

    The rather realistic scenario is when USAF fleet got shot down at Penang air space from SG53 air space, their furthest LRAAMs max range could only hardly reach KLIA. Can not reach SG53. That means they can not return fire at PLA jets at all. This absolute air superiority advantage. Kill Range Advantage, like a rifle shooting against a hand gun!


    http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2018-02-17/doc-ifyrpeif1977405.shtml

    英媒称中国歼20年内将装备最强PL15导弹 专打预警机
    英媒称中国歼20年内将装备最强PL15导弹 专打预警机

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      狗年春节前夕,空军接连公布歼20列装作战部队的消息,给国人新春佳节注入一针“兴奋剂”,令人振奋不已。俗话说好事成双,这不英国专家也给咱们送上一份大礼——射程更远、威力更猛的专打对手加油机预警机的新型空空导弹“霹雳-15”导弹今年年内将装备。

      正所谓好马配好鞍。歼20这种中国自主研制的新一代隐身战斗机,不仅在国内最牛,在世界上也是数一数二的。发挥这种攻击平台最大优势,最好的方法就是配上最牛的导弹。2月14日,英国伦敦著名智库国际战略研究所发布了2018年版《全球军力平衡报告》。报告不仅指出“歼-20”列装作战部队使得美国失去了独家持有实战用隐形战机的立场,还预测称中国能最快于今年内部署新型空空导弹“PL-15”(霹雳-15)。

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      英国国际战略研究所总部是在美国,在全球享有公信力和权威度。研究认为,尽管有专家唱衰中国的歼20隐身战斗机,但是不可置疑的是歼20的列装确实让中国空军实现了 跨越式发展,这些战机能挂载各种与西方武器质量不相上下的空对空导弹,对美西方霸主地位构成重大考验。专家们称,中国正在研制的“PL-15”空对空导弹,属于超远程级别,能定点打击加油机和预警机。

      “PL-15”空对空导弹其实早就进入人们视野。2017年7月20日,英国《简氏防务周刊》网站刊发文章《新型超视距空空导弹可能已列装中国空军》称,中国空军“PL-15”型空空导弹曝光,将是歼-20战斗机的主要超视距空空导弹武器。国内多家媒体分析认为,“PL-15”型空空导弹长约3.7米,直径约20厘米,射程达到400公里。

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      众所周知,空中加油机和预警机自身防护能力弱,虽然在空战中地位重要但是也最脆弱。比如预警机,现在最大探测距离也就是400—500公里左右,歼20自身隐身效果再加上射程超远的“PL-15”型空空导弹,等预警机发现来袭导弹时早就来不及了,可以说简直一打一个准。

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      歼-20战机2016年11月参加珠海航展,首次公开进行飞行展示,今年2月9日,中国空军新闻发言人申进科大校发布消息,中国自主研制的新一代隐身战斗机歼-20,开始列装空军作战部队,向全面形成作战能力迈出重要一步。此前还在空军“红剑-2017”体系对抗演习中发挥重要作用。2月10日,中国空军还发布了一张歼20雪野飞行的照片,预示着歼20已经能够全天候作战。3天后,央视《军事报道》还罕见出现列装部队后飞行状态的歼-20战机。

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      毫无疑问,歼-20战机将进一步提升空军综合作战能力,有助于空军更好的肩负起维护国家主权、安全和领土完整的神圣使命。如今,西方国家感到紧张这就对了!(作者署名:大国防务)
     
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  6. tanwahtiu

    tanwahtiu Alfrescian Old Timer

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    Where history of evil people teaches you not to let in evil into you motherland again...

    This evil eyes angmoh presenter bias reporting need to be smack in the face.



    Evil BE not welcome to N Asia or Asia.




     
  7. greedy and cunning

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    since u are so enthusiastic in whacking the brit

    here is a must watch video for u

    The Spider’s Web: Britain’s Second Empire

    the british empire is as powerful as before.
     
  8. tanwahtiu

    tanwahtiu Alfrescian Old Timer

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    Where link?

    I know and the rise of China can handle this white shitskin.

    Most of the Chinese scientists in US and West have returned to China to begin the return of mighty golden dragon...


     
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    In my previous post, I did not write about the business of whole STEALTH GAME. Here it is: The whole so called Stealth Idea of USAF, is such that so called Stealth Planes are not turning on their own radar signals, and they fully depending on AWACs to be their eyes. The game is like torch lights in the darkness. You can turn on your radar it is like a torch light to see things in the darkness, but then everyone else sees you from far, that you are the one using a torch light searching. USAF let AWACs be the only one turning on a big radar, and the so called stealth fighters F-22 F-35 shut off their radar signals and data-link shows their pilots what the AWAC's big strong radar can see.

    Hence AWAC is a very big obvious target visible from hundreds km or even 1000km, by any old 3rd world radar systems. The USAF idea is AWACs must be located high and far from enemies missiles and fighters reach and the F-22 & F-35 will intercept any fighters from attacking AWACs. Now PLA's PL-15 changed the game, none of the the AWACs, tankers, stealth fighters are safe from PLA, and PLA jets are safely away from USAF missiles's short range. Most USAF A-A missiles are 20km 50km range the furthest LRAAM is 120km only. PL-15 is 400km range. Advantage is very clear cut more than double! The USAF can protect NOTHING. PLA are very safe! They can send even the slowest old jets to kill all of USAF, and safely return because of PL-15.

    How this game is done?

    1st kill the AWACs, the #1 target. Once AWAC is gone, USAF if blinded, All the so called stealth fighters have to be forced to turn on their own radars to see what is in the air. This is when they are NO LONGER STEALTH. Their AWAC big torch light is gone, they each have to turn on their own torch lights, hence all are visible to ANY Radars! This is when PLA can do happy free firing PL-15. Kill each and every one from a safe distance, they have no chance to fire back!

    HUAT AH!




    http://slide.mil.news.sina.com.cn/slide_8_193_61066.html#p=1

    射程超400公里:中国超远程空空导弹作战模式示意图
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    中国超远程空空导弹PL-XX作战模式示意图:初始目标参数通过空警2000的数据进行更新,中段飞行可依靠数据链加惯导加北斗导航修正,末端制导采用双模式复合引导弹头。新浪军事独家制图,仅供参考。

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    霹雳-15远程空空导弹曝光,如今已开始出现于解放军各大演习之中,再次曝光,这显然已完成霹雳15导弹列装,刚刚列装部队就开始进行应用。据测算,霹雳-15弹长5.7米左右,可能采用高空道弹,抵达目标前进行末端机动性,估计射程400公里,甚至更高。


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      现代战争中空中预警机与空中加油机等特种机为重要的支援力量,有“战力倍增器“之称,自然也成了双方重点关注的对象。也许超远程空对空导弹为最大威胁,目前多国都在从事远程空空导弹研发,这让美军忧心其威胁。



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    霹雳15是一款颠覆性空战武器,毕竟射程达到400公里,颠覆了现有空战战术理念,这类武器上F22遇上也一样没招了,其射程太远了,没等F22去拦截导弹载机,导弹已经发射了,所以远程空空导弹一直为美军相当忧心的事,但是现在这个事情依然发生了。



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    远程射程是它的优势,对空中预警机等大型空中目标威胁相当大,受技术条件的限制,预警机最大监视距离约400到500公里,对战斗机类目标只有300公里。


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    如果空对空导弹射程超过300公里,那等预警机发现来袭目标时,很可能对方的导弹已经发射,更不要说,400公里了。由于导弹的个头很小,预警机也许只能在几十公里的地方发现它,那时再采用措施就晚了,也就没有安全可言了!

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      当然了,也有缺点,那就是机动过载偏小,但是大型空中目标几乎没有机动规避的能力,不算问题的问题了。

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    技术上的难题为:制导,以前受制导技术限制,空对空导弹射程受到限制,如今随着数据链、中继制导、主动雷达制导等多种技术的进步,让不可能变可能了。

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    霹雳15以惯性制导加数据链进行中断制导,未段采用主动雷达系统,也可能开发为反辐射型,通过跟踪预警机雷达来追踪目标。



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    • 目前已知歼16可以挂载霹雳-15,其它型号也一样可以,实战中,可没办法提前知道那架战机加挂了它,那么预警机如何分辩对方战机构成的威胁那?别弄成惊弓之鸟了。

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    歼20作为一款标准五代机,在作战性能上要远远优于其他战机,隐身的优势,让歼20在一般情况下不需要携带近距空空导弹。在充分发挥隐身优势的情况下,歼20在百公里外就能先发现目标,面对隐身战机,四代机恐怕要到几十公里内才能发现歼20,这时恐怕为时已晚。


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    • 所以,歼20搭配的导弹射程要求越远越好,只有射程远才能真正的发挥出其隐身优势,霹雳15正好能满足这样的条件。霹雳15曾亮相过珠海航展,网络上也出现过多次歼10C和歼11D试射的画面,外媒对此导弹非常关注。

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    为什么外媒会对霹雳15感兴趣?原因很简单,根据目前的数据来看,这款导弹可以说是世界上射程最远的空空导弹,最大射程高达400公里,这是目前现役空空导弹中最远的。


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    就连美国F22装备的“阿姆拉姆”远程空空导弹也望城莫及,因为后者的最大射程只有160公里,还不到霹雳15的一半。

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    • 中国空军列装的霹雳-15,将让敌手的预警机处于枪口之下,几乎无处可藏。既便不能击落,只要构成有效威胁,那么就足以干扰敌方空中支援和指挥系统。(作者署名:浴火)
     
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    In the reversed side of this game, PLA can protect their own AWAC with also just cheap old jets carrying PL-15s. The PLA AWACs will clearly see any enemy from few hundred (close to 1000km depending on altitudes), PL-15 can be launched when targets are 400km in range, way before USAF can shoot any LRAAMs (max range only 120km), so USAF can not kill PLA AWACs, their missiles are not even able to reach PLA AWACs, before they got shotdown. So even a suicide attack plan will have no chance.

    Suicide Attack plan can be done only if the A-A missiles on both sides were roughly equal. Your commando pilots dash ASAP towards AWAC and fire all missiles at it then try to flee ASAP, the interceptors will already fire volley of A-A missile at you, but you can dare devil don't flee and still carry out your attack, you have time to fire your A-A missiles at the expense of losing your escape chance. This is suicide mission, chances are you can kill AWAC, but you will be killed also. When PL-15 range is 400km and USAF LRAAMs is 120km even this kind of suicide attack have no chance! Even if LRAAM range can be doubled from 120km to 240km still a very tiny chance against the PL-15's 400km kill range.

    Say even if USAF made doubled ranged 240km super-LRAAM to kill PLA AWAC, they may need to send 20~30 commando jets to carry out suicide mission, or 50 against 1 PLA AWAC, to have a better chance. Hoping the PL-15 run out of missiles. And some commando jets will live to get close enough within 240km to fire at PLA AWAC. But USAF now only got 120km LRAAMs, sending 100 sucide command jets also finish, because there is a long distance 280km death range in which they will die before they can have chance to fire any LRAAM.

    Ass Luck USAF! PLA has the absolute air superiority! Prepare your coffins!
     

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