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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...red-law-change-marlene-schiappa-a8052766.html

    France to change law after man cleared of raping 11-year-old in because 'relationship was consensual'


    Equalities minister Marlene Schiappa says France needs a minimum age under which a child cannot consent to sexual activity like other European countries

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    France is poised to change its statutory rape laws after a man was acquitted of raping an 11-year-old after the prosecution was unable to prove it was not consensual.

    Under French law, having sex with someone aged 15 or under is illegal but prosecutors have to prove it is non-consensual as there is no legal minimum age below which it is presumed in law that a child cannot consent.

    But now equalities minister Marlene Schiappa wants a legal minimum age set at between 13 and 15-years-old.

    She said: “The law will mean that ‘below a certain age, there can be no debate, ever, on the sexual consent of a child, and that any child below a certain age would automatically be considered as raped or sexually assaulted’”.

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    She was speaking following the acquittal of a 29-year-old man in the Seine-et-Marne district of Paris who was accused of raping an 11-year-old in a park in 2009.

    He was found not guilty by a jury as the prosecution could not prove the girl did not consent to the act.

    It came after two days of hearings on what constitutes rape in French law which concluded that elements that constitute rape such as “coercion, threat, violence and surprise were not established”, according to public prosecutor Dominique Larens.

    French newspaper, Le Parisien, reported that the prosecution launched an appeal on Friday.

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    The man, then 22, said he had sex with the girl in a park but it was consensual and the girl had told him she was 14 and would soon turn 15.

    The girl’s family is only said to have discovered what had happened when the girl fell pregnant. The child, now seven, was placed in foster care.

    It followed another case, which fell apart in September, against a 28-year-old man who said an 11-year-old girl had agreed to go back to his home from a park in Montmagny, another Parisian suburb.

    He reportedly told her he would teach her how to kiss but when they arrived, they had sex, the Local reported.

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    The prosecution and the girl’s family argued that she had been “paralysed” by fear and “unable to defend herself” but he was only given the lesser charge of sexual abuse of a minor because he had not used physical force.

    Children’s rights group, Le Voix de l’Enfant, has called for changes to the legal system.

    In a statement following the first case, they said: “The question of consent or its absence should never even be asked when it comes to rape victims who are minors”.

    In the UK, the age of consent is 16 and in court there is “an irrefutable presumption of an absence of consent” in such cases.

    But those under 13 have additional legal protections which say they can never under any circumstances consent to sexual activity.

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41966245


    France to reassess child sex laws after controversial cases
    • 13 November 2017
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    France is to consider a change to its laws around sexual consent, according to the minister for gender equality.

    Marlene Schiappa said the government was considering setting a fixed age below which sex was automatically a serious offence.

    It comes after two cases where men were acquitted of raping two 11 year old girls.

    In France the age of consent is 15, but prosecutors still have to prove sex was non-consensual to prove rape.

    In an interview with French television programme BFM Politique, Ms Schiappa said that as a member of the government she "could not react to court decisions".

    But Ms Schiappa added she was looking at measures where "below a certain age...that there is no debate on the sexual consent of the child".

    Despite its age of consent, France currently does not have any law which defines sex with someone below a fixed age as rape.

    Currently in France if there is no violence or coercion proved, people may only be charged with sexual abuse of a minor and not rape - this has a maximum sentence of five years in prison and a fine of €75,000 (£66,000; $87,000).

    Sentences are the same for sexual assaults of minors and non-minors, but punishments for rape have much harsher sentences.

    Ms Schiappa said her government was debating a defined age for irrefutable non-consent, between 13 and 15, as part of a new anti-sexism and sexual violence bill to be introduced in 2018.

    What were the cases?
    A public prosecutor said on Saturday that a 30-year-old man had been acquitted of rape after having sex with an 11-year-old girl in Seine-et-Marne in 2009 when he was 22.

    The girl's family reportedly only found out about the incident after the girl became pregnant. Her child is now seven and is reportedly in foster care.

    Local reports said the man's defence was that the girl had lied about her age to him. Because there was no evidence of "threat or violence" a criminal court ruled that the man could not be charged with raping her.

    It closely resembles a case in September which also prompted calls to change the law.

    A 28-year-old man was acquitted when he was tried for having sex with an 11-year-old girl from Val-d'Oise, north of Paris. She reportedly followed the man home from a park, but prosecutors said there had been "no violence, no constraint, no threat, and no surprise" to constitute a rape charge - the court therefore ruled she had consented.

    How does French law compare with elsewhere?
    Age limits vary around the world, and exist to protect people who are not yet legally or emotionally competent to consent to sexual intercourse.

    There is no official global limit for the age of consent but it tends be about 16, and the UN's Human Rights body encourages countries to protect children from sexual exploitation.

    In the US, the age of sexual consent varies by state but is between 16 and 18 years old. There are however "close in age exemptions" (so-called Romeo and Juliet laws) to allow for small age gaps in consenting sexual relationships, to protect people from being labelled as sex offenders where one party is slightly underage.

    However, because of some legal loopholes, people below these ages still get married. An estimated 200,000 minors were married in the United States from 2000 to 2015.

    Child marriage and laws that require people to marry their rapists can circumvent legal age consent limitations in national laws.

    In the UK the age of sexual consent is 16, but children under the age of 13 have additional legal protections that declare they can never consent to sexual activity.

    Other European countries like Germany and Portugal have a lower age of consent at 14.

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/opinion/sex-consent-france.html


    Can an 11-Year-Old Girl Consent to Sex?


    By VALENTINE FAUREOCT. 5, 2017

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    PARIS — Last Tuesday, France woke up to news reports that a 28-year-old man and an 11-year-old girl had had “consensual” sex.

    The events, first reported by the website Mediapart, took place on April 24 in the Paris suburb of Montmagny. That afternoon, the child followed a man, who had already approached her twice in the previous days, telling her he “could teach her how to kiss and more.” They went to his building, where she performed oral sex in the hallway. Then she followed him to his apartment, where they had sexual intercourse. Afterward, he told her not to talk to anybody about it, kissed her on the forehead and asked to see her again.

    On her way back home, the girl called her mother in a state of panic, realizing what had just happened. “Papa is going to think I’m a slut,” she said. The mother immediately called the police and pressed charges for rape. But citing Article 227-25 of the French criminal code, the public prosecutor stated that “there had been no violence, no coercion, no threat, no surprise,” and therefore, the man would be charged only with “sexual infraction.” That offense is punishable by five years in prison, while rape entails 20 years of imprisonment when the victim is under 15.

    The trial was supposed to start last Tuesday, but it was postponed to February. Meantime, the story caught fire across the country. The widespread outrage put me in mind of the Jacqueline Sauvage case, in which a battered woman who shot her husband in the back in 2012 ended up getting 10 years of prison (a harsh sentence for France). The verdict prompted wrathful comments from pundits, politicians and the public about the French justice system failing to deliver justice to society’s most vulnerable. (Ms. Sauvage was pardoned and released last year.)

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    What shocked many French people most of all was not the encounter itself, but that there was a legal possibility of labeling it anything other than rape. If legal norms reflect a society’s mores, what does this say about France? Petitions started circulating, and politicians would soon echo them: The law must change.

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    Most European countries have, over the past two decades, set age limits under which a minor simply cannot consent. In Belgium, any sexual intercourse with a child below the age of 14 is rape, punishable up to 20 years, or up to 30 years for victims under 10. In Britain, the age of consent is 16, but specific legal protection exists for children under 13: They cannot legally give their consent to any form of sexual activity. There is a maximum sentence of life imprisonment for “rape, assault by penetration, and causing or inciting a child to engage in sexual activity.”

    But in France, as long as “violence, coercion, threat or surprise” is not proven, sexual intercourse with a minor — even one under 15 — is considered an “atteinte sexuelle,” which is an infraction and not a crime. The trial takes place in a “tribunal correctionnel,” which handles infractions, and not at a “cour d’assises,” which is for the most serious crimes like murder or rape.

    In 2005, the Cour de Cassation, France’s highest criminal court, stipulated that coercion is presumed for children at a “very young age.” That’s an outrageously blurry formulation that in practice has largely been applied to children under 6. This leaves children above 6 potentially considered not raped when violence cannot be established. It also allows the state of paralyzed shock experienced by many victims — and all the more so children — to equal consent.

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    In 2010, a new law introduced the question of age difference between the victim and the perpetrator from which “moral coercion” could result, expanding the notion of force beyond physical violence. But once again, the difference in age was not precisely qualified. In February 2015, the Constitutional Council reasserted that French law “does not set an age of discernment in regards to sexual relations: It is for the courts to determine whether the minor was capable of consenting to the sexual relationship in question.”

    France doesn’t exactly have a sterling record when it comes to labeling sexual criminality. It took two centuries for sexual crimes against children to be considered so by the law. The penal code of 1810, established by Napoleon, did not say much about sexual behavior, “as if sexuality were not to fall under the law,” the philosopher Michel Foucault said in 1978. He deplored the growing “weight” of the laws “controlling” sexuality during the 19th and 20th century.

    Foucault was writing a year after the cream of the French intelligentsia published an open letter in Le Monde defending three men charged with having sexual relations with children under the age of 15. The list of signatories included Jean-Paul Sartre, Simone de Beauvoir, Gilles Deleuze, Roland Barthes, Philippe Sollers, André Glucksmann and Louis Aragon. “We consider that there is an incongruity,” the letter read, “between the outdated nature of the law and the everyday reality of a society which tends to recognize the existence of a sexual life in children and adolescents (if a 13-year-old girl has the right to be on the pill, what is it for?).”

    Interdiction, the thinking went, belonged to the old moral order, and it was considered an honor to children to acknowledge that they had desires.

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    Fortunately, the mainstream culture has turned away from this pedophile-chic ethos. But if France has continued to be reluctant to define a firm age of consent, it probably has to do with the lingering vestiges of idealized sexual freedom.

    And linger it does. When the Roman Polanski case resurfaced in 2009, I remember an outraged Alain Finkielkraut, one of the most visible public intellectuals in France, saying on the radio that Mr. Polanski’s 13-year-old victim, Samantha Geimer (nee Gailey), “wasn’t a little girl” because she had agreed to be photographed topless, expressing the all too common belief (and likely hope) that girls and boys can indeed be sexual at a young age.

    I grew up in Paris, a very free little girl playing in the streets and riding the Metro. By the time I was 15, I had been exposed to more flashers than I care to remember, a few “frotteurs” (men who take advantage of the crowded trains to rub up against their prey), and one man who followed me into my building to have a conversation about my sexual habits when I was about 8. When I was only dreaming about boys my age, I already was very familiar with the chilling effect of adults inserting themselves into my intimate life.

    This was how city kids grew up in the aftermath of sexual “liberation”: navigating these uncomfortable interactions, unaware we maybe were escaping something worse.

    Today, I can’t look through the window into a classroom other than my daughter’s without being called to order by the headmistress. Still, what horrifies us as a society and seems to belong to common sense — that every instance of sexual intercourse with a child is, by definition, violent — has been left by the law to be examined case by case. The assault in Montmagny must serve as a moral wake-up call for France.

    Valentine Faure is writing a book about the Jacqueline Sauvage case.

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    https://www.rt.com/news/409794-france-consent-age-introduce/

    France may set age of consent at 13 after man acquitted of raping 11yo
    Published time: 14 Nov, 2017 05:51 Edited time: 14 Nov, 2017 08:32
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    The French government is considering setting the minimum age for sexual consent following a controversial decision by a jury to spare a man accused of raping an 11-year-old girl. The verdict has sparked a public outcry and calls to revise the law.
    The bill, if adopted, will set a benchmark in French law on sexual violence, as it will for the first time define the age limit under which any sexual intercourse with a minor is legally considered rape.

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    “The question of the age below which the minor’s consent is presumed not to exist is crucial, because there are obviously extremely shocking and unacceptable situations,” French Justice Minister Nicole Belloubet said, as cited by RTL radio.

    Regarding the age of consent, Belloubet said that the age of 13 “is worth considering,” while noting that the final decision in each case should lie within the discretion of the judges.

    Marlene Schiappa, a junior minister for gender equality, argues that it should lie somewhere between 13 and 15 years.

    “Below a certain age, it is considered that there can be no debate on the sexual consent of a child, and that any child below a certain age would automatically be considered to be raped or sexually assaulted,” Schiappa told BMF TV.

    The need to amend the law was brought to light by the jury verdict in the case of a 30-year-old man who, back in 2009, allegedly lured an 11-year-old girl into a sexual relationship. Last week, the man, a Cape Verdean native, was tried by a jury court and acquitted after prosecutors, who were seeking eight years in jail for the defendant, failed to prove that the sex was non-consensual.

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    Under current French law, only sexual acts committed with the use of “violence, coercion, threat or surprise” are considered to be rape, regardless of the victim's age. Penalties are tougher if the victim is under the age of 15, but there is no minimum age of consent.

    Following the encounter, the girl, who is of Congolese descent, became pregnant and subsequently gave birth to a baby which her family decided to place in foster care out of fear of being condemned in the community. The family took the case to court, but only years later.

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    It is the second case in less than two months that came under the media spotlight for what is viewed by some as a verdict too lenient for a suspect accused of sexually assaulting a minor. In late September, an 11-year-old girl reportedly followed a 28-year-old man into his flat north of Paris, where they repeatedly engaged in sexual acts. The girl’s mother said that her daughter was devastated by what happened to her, but was unable to put up any resistance as she was numb from shock.

    Despite her mother’s claims that the 11-year-old was unable to defend herself, the prosecutors dropped the charges of rape and charged the perpetrator with sexual assault of a minor below the age of 15 instead, brushing off the girl’s legal team’s arguments that she was unable to surmise what was going on.

    The French Criminal Code envisages a punishment of up to five years of incarceration for sexual offenses. For rape, offenders face a much harsher penalty of 15 years behind bars if the victim is 15 or older, and up to 20 years if the victim is a minor under 15.


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    Since relationship is consensual then PROSTITUTION Must Also be CONSENSUAL, if the young and impoverished Lolitas survives and lives as a prostitute.

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    no wonder muslims like to go there...
     
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    I Ah Beng. I also want to go.
     
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    Amos yee should be allowed to give his talk in france now
     
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    Exactly what I was thinking. He's going to use all this frog case law to back his twisted logic. Which would not seem very twisted now.
     
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    heard that he has a penchant for French wines, cheeses and escargot - and replace bubba's schlong with monsieur's cock-au-vin :p
     
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