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Serious Dotard Wants To Start WW3 In The Middle East Over Jerusalem!

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    By Steve Holland and Nidal al-Mughrabi
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    WASHINGTON/GAZA (Reuters) - President Donald Trump told Arab leaders on Tuesday that he intends to move the U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, a move that would break with decades of U.S. policy and risks fuelling further unrest in the Middle East.

    Senior U.S. officials have said Trump is likely on Wednesday to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital while delaying relocating the embassy from Tel Aviv for another six months, though he is expected to order his aides to begin planning such a move immediately. The officials said, however, that no final decisions have been made.

    capital of their future state. The international community does not recognise Israeli sovereignty over the entire city, home to sites holy to the Muslim, Jewish and Christian religions.

    Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, Jordan's King Abdullah and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, who all received phone calls from Trump on Tuesday, joined a mounting chorus of voices saying any unilateral U.S. move on Jerusalem could unleash turmoil.

    Trump notified Abbas "of his intention to move the American Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem," Abbas spokesman Nabil Abu Rdainah said.

    Abbas, in response, "warned of the dangerous consequences such a decision would have to the peace process and to the peace, security and stability of the region and of the world" and also appealed to the Pope and the leaders of Russia, France and Jordan to intervene.

    The Jordanian monarch told Trump that moving the embassy would have "dangerous repercussions" for the region and would obstruct U.S. efforts to promote Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, according to a palace statement.

    Egypt's Sisi cautioned Trump against "taking measures that would undermine the chances of peace" and complicate matters in the Middle East, a presidential statement released in Cairo said.

    None of the leaders' statements said whether Trump, who was also due to talk to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, specified the timing of an embassy move.

    But U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Trump would sign a national security waiver - as have his predecessors - keeping the embassy in Tel Aviv for another six months but would commit to expediting a move. It was unclear, however, whether he would set a date.

    Trump, who promised during the 2016 presidential campaign to move the embassy to Jerusalem and is expected to announce his decision in a speech on Wednesday, appears intent on satisfying the pro-Israel, right-wing base that helped him win the presidency.

    Israeli Intelligence Minister Israel Katz, who met last week with U.S. officials in Washington, told Israel's Army Radio: "My impression is that the president will recognise Jerusalem, the eternal capital of the Jewish people for 3,000 years, as the capital of the state of Israel.”

    Asked if Israel was preparing for a wave of violence if Trump recognises Jerusalem as the Israeli capital, he said: "We are preparing for every option. Anything like that can always erupt. If Abu Mazen (Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas) will lead it in that direction then he will be making a big mistake.”

    Turkey threatened on Tuesday to cut diplomatic ties with Israel if Trump recognises Jerusalem.

    "Mr. Trump, Jerusalem is the red line of Muslims," Turkey's President Tayyip Erdogan told a parliamentary meeting of his ruling AK Party.

    Senior U.S. officials told Reuters some officers in the State Department were also deeply concerned and the European Union, the Palestinian Authority, Saudi Arabia and the Arab League all warned that any such declaration would have repercussions across the region.



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    Netanyahu has so far declined to speculate on what Trump might say.

    But Katz took to Twitter to reject Turkey's threat and reiterate Israel's position on the city, which is one of a long list of stumbling blocks in years of failed peace talks with the Palestinians.

    "We don't take orders or accept threats from the president of Turkey," he wrote.

    Two U.S. officials said on condition of anonymity that news of the plan to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital had kicked up resistance from the State Department's Near Eastern Affairs bureau, which deals with the region.

    "Senior (officials) in NEA and a number of ambassadors from the region expressed their deep concern about doing this," said one official, saying the concerns focused on "security."

    The State Department referred questions to the White House. The White House did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

    A fourth U.S. official said the consensus U.S. intelligence estimate on U.S. recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital was that it would risk triggering a backlash against Israel, and also potentially against U.S. interests in the Middle East.

    It could also derail a fledgling Israeli-Palestinian peace effort led by Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner.

    The European Union's top diplomat, Federica Mogherini, said on Tuesday that "any action that would undermine" peace efforts to create two separate states for the Israelis and the Palestinians "must absolutely be avoided".

    Speaking alongside U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson in Brussels, she said Jerusalem's status would have to be agreed through negotiations.

    The Arab League and Saudi Arabia repeated past warnings, following statements by France and Jordan in recent days.

    Past Israeli-Palestinian rifts have deteriorated into protests, attacks and fighting and further destabilised the region.

    Israel captured Arab East Jerusalem in the 1967 Middle East war and later annexed it, a move not recognised internationally.
     
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    Arab attacks Israel, North Korea attacks South Korea ...does the US have the bandwidth to fight two wars?
     
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    Trump to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital

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    US President Donald Trump, seen here visiting the Western Wall, had pledged to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital

    President Donald Trump will recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital Wednesday, upending decades of careful US policy and ignoring dire warnings of a historic misstep that could trigger a surge of violence in the Middle East.

    A senior administration official said Trump would make the landmark announcement -- which flies in the face of warnings from America's allies across the region and the world -- at 1 pm (1800 GMT) from the White House.

    "He will say that that the United States government recognizes that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel," a senior administration official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

    "He views this as a recognition of reality, both historic reality," the source added, "and modern reality."

    Plunging further into a bitter centuries-old argument between Jews, Muslims and Christians, Trump will also order planning to begin on moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

    "It will take some time to find a site, to address security concerns, design a new facility, fund a new facility and build it," the official said, indicating that the move will not be immediate.

    "It will be a matter of some years, it won't be months, it's going to take time."

    The status of Jerusalem is a central issue in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with both sides claiming the city as their capital, and expectations of Trump's announcement have roiled the combustible region.

    In a frantic series of calls on its eve, the leaders of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, the EU, France, Germany and Turkey all warned Trump against the move.

    Anticipating widespread demonstrations, US government officials have been ordered to avoid Jerusalem's Old City and the West Bank.

    But Trump's move comes close to fulfilling a campaign promise and will delight his political donors and the conservative and evangelical base that is so vital for the embattled president.

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    Most of the international community does not formally recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital, insisting the issue can only be resolved in final status negotiations.

    US officials talk of "threading the needle" -- fulfilling Trump's campaign pledge, while keeping the peace process on the rails.

    The White House argues that such a move would not prejudge final talks and would represent the reality that west Jerusalem is and will continue to be part of Israel under any settlement.

    "President Trump remains committed to achieving a lasting peace agreement between the Israelis and the Palestinians and is optimistic that peace can be achieved," a second official said.

    "President Trump is prepared to support a two State solution... If agreed to by the two parties."

    But critics say Trump's approach is more like "splitting the baby" and could also extinguish his own much-vaunted efforts to broker Middle East peace while igniting the flames of conflict in a region already reeling from crises in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Qatar.

    The armed Islamist Hamas movement has threatened to launch a new "intifada" or uprising.

    Saudi Arabia's King Salman warned his close ally that moving the US embassy was a "dangerous step" that could rile Muslims around the world.

    "Mr Trump! Jerusalem is a red line for Muslims," Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in a raucous televised speech, echoing alarm expressed by Palestinian and Arab leaders.

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    Israel seized the largely-Arab eastern sector of Jerusalem during the 1967 Six-Day War and later annexed it, claiming both sides of the city as its "eternal and undivided capital."

    But the Palestinians want the eastern sector as the capital of their future state and fiercely oppose any Israeli attempt to extend sovereignty there.

    Trump was pushed to act on the embassy as a result of the 1995 Jerusalem Embassy Act, which stated that the city "should be recognized as the capital of the State of Israel" and that the US embassy should be moved there.

    An inbuilt waiver has been repeatedly invoked by successive US presidents, postponing the move on grounds of "national security" once every six months, meaning the law has never taken effect.

    Several peace plans have unravelled over the issue of how to divide sovereignty or oversee sites in the city that are holy for Christians, Jews and Muslims.

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    I love this man to death. He's demonstrated leadership and courage beyond what I could ever had imagined.
     
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    Pretty sure he made good during his visit to the Sauds earlier.
     
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    If I was Kim Jong Nuke would nuke Israel and USA on the same day, and Arabs will sponsor my lifetime FOC oil + gas + Cash.
     
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    Trump sibei steady. I beginning to understand what it means to be a leader.
     
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    https://www.rt.com/news/412072-israel-jerusalem-idf-hamas-violence/


    ‘Declaration of war’: Trump’s Jerusalem decision lights Middle East powder keg
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    The IDF is on high alert after Hamas called for a “day of rage” ahead of the White House’s expected announcement to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. The planned demonstrations come as nations around the world condemn Trump’s decision.
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    Israel is bracing for demonstrations in the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem ahead of US President Donald Trump’s expected plan to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, and to recognize Jerusalem as the Jewish state’s capital.

    The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) are preparing for violence after Hamas called for a “day of rage” in response to Trump’s controversial decision. The main demonstration is planned for Thursday afternoon at al-Manara Square in Ramallah. People from across the West Bank are expected to participate.

    On Wednesday, a large demonstration is scheduled to take place in Jenin. Israeli police and military are also preparing for demonstrations near the American embassy in Tel Aviv. Thousands of Israeli law enforcers are expected to be on duty in Jerusalem on Friday.

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    Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh vowed that Palestinians would use all available options to “protect our land and our holy sites,” according to media reports.

    The Palestinian Islamist political organization and militant group urged “the youth and the Palestinian resistance in the West Bank” to “respond with all means available to the US decision that harms our Jerusalem. Jerusalem is a red line and the resistance will not allow any desecration of it.”

    Foreign governments are already anticipating violence. The German Foreign Ministry updated its travel advice for Israel and the Palestinian territories on Wednesday, warning that “from December 6, 2017, there may be demonstrations in Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Violent clashes cannot be ruled out." The US State Department also issued a travel warning, urging government employees and their families not to visit Jerusalem's Old City or the West Bank.

    Palestine’s envoy to the UK said on Wednesday that Trump’s expected decision would be a declaration of war “against 1.5 billion Muslims (and) hundreds of millions of Christians that are not going to accept the holy shrines to be totally under the hegemony of Israel."

    On Tuesday, Palestinian Christians in Bethlehem, the birthplace of Jesus, were spotted burning photographs of Donald Trump and holding signs reading “Move the embassy to your country, not ours,” and “Jerusalem, Palestine's heart, is not up to negotiations.”

    On the same day, Trump told the leader of the Palestinian Authority during a phone call that he intends to move the US Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. The planned move has been strongly condemned by the international community.

    During a joint press conference with US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson on Tuesday, EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini warned the US against moving the embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, saying it could jeopardize the peace process in the region.

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    [​IMG] US recognition of Jerusalem as Israeli capital would be 'major catastrophe' - Turkey
    The Council of the League of Arab States released a statement calling the recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital an act of “open aggression” against “the rights of the Palestinian people and all Muslims and Christians.”

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Tuesday that US recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital would be a “red line” for Muslims and “a big blow to the conscience of humanity.” The leader of NATO ally Turkey warned that the US taking such a step would force Ankara to sever diplomatic ties with the Jewish state.

    Erdogan has called for an emergency summit of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation on December 13 to discuss the possibility of Jerusalem becoming Israel’s capital.

    Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has also blasted Washington's decision to relocate the US embassy to Jerusalem as a display of incompetence.

    "That they claim they want to announce Quds as the capital of occupied Palestine is because of their incompetence and failure," Khamenei said, using the Arabic name for Jerusalem.

    The Syrian government also weighed in on the planned move. "[The move] is the culmination of the crime of usurping Palestine and displacing the Palestinian people," a Foreign Ministry official told state news agency SANA.


     
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    He is completely lost and really has no idea. It is also a sign of desperation as he is in a midst of a White House siege.

    Now it seems that he will sign the waiver knowing full well the embassy wont move in years.
     
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    finally someone who breaks the status quo and put things back in its rightful place. this is long overdue. all other muslim-fearing world leaders (except for putin and xi) are not leaders but cowards toeing the politically correct line. jerusalem belongs to the jews and muslims and their mosque on the temple mount must be evicted. call it like it is, reveal the truth, uncover the deceit of muslim sympathizers and collaborators after all these decades of appeasement, and let them show the world who these crying babies and sore losers are really - nothing but a bunch of violent jihadists still believing the caliphate’s mission is to conquer the world and convert everyone to their archaic religion.
     

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